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Old 04-27-2005, 05:25 PM
AlexMR AlexMR is offline
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Default Is it so bad to be passive (a rock)?

Hi,

I have been playing since january, I had never played poker in my life. I deposited 200 and Only have about 450 now. Mostly because of the bonus, given that poker Tracker says that I am down 300. The thing is that the style of play that best suits me is passive. I was trying to "fix" my numbers and be more aggressive but it was a disaster; I lost a lot (later I understood this was a terrible mistake). During this process of change was when I lost most of my money. After I quit that, I have been winning again. Not much, but winning and sometimes break even.

The question stands: Is it so bad to be a rock? isnt Phil Hellmuth Jr., who is the consider by many the best player, or one of them, a ROCK?

thoughts please...

AlexMR
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:28 PM
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Is it so bad to be passive (a rock)?

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Hi,

I have been playing since january, I had never played poker in my life. I deposited 200 and Only have about 450 now. Mostly because of the bonus, given that poker Tracker says that I am down 300. The thing is that the style of play that best suits me is passive. I was trying to "fix" my numbers and be more aggressive but it was a disaster; I lost a lot (later I understood this was a terrible mistake). During this process of change was when I lost most of my money. After I quit that, I have been winning again. Not much, but winning and sometimes break even.

The question stands: Is it so bad to be a rock? isnt Phil Hellmuth Jr., who is the consider by many the best player, or one of them, a ROCK?

thoughts please...

AlexMR

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Read the Psychology of Poker by Al Schoonmaker. He discusse this exact issue.

Short answer is that you can do anything you want. Whatever brings you the most enjoyment. Just realise the potential consequences of your actions.
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: Is it so bad to be passive (a rock)?

Thanks for taking time to answer.

That is exactly my question: What are the consequences of being a rock? Why is it bad? I really dont understand.
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Old 05-01-2005, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Is it so bad to be passive (a rock)?

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Thanks for taking time to answer.

That is exactly my question: What are the consequences of being a rock? Why is it bad? I really dont understand.

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not being aggressive enough means you don't get maximum value out of your good hands, and you don't protect them well enough (you let people draw out cheaply and/or profitably, which costs you money).

No limit != limit. This is very very important.
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:35 PM
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isnt Phil Hellmuth Jr., who is the consider by many the best player

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Baaahahahahaahahahahaah.

are you talking about limit or no limit? If you're talking about limit, then it does not pay to be a rock. However, you have to start out as a rock and slowly get more agressive. If you just start out trying to play aggressively you'll probably misapply it and end up costing yourself. It takes a long time to learn how to beat this game, you're on the right track by coming here.
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:35 PM
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passive? yes. absolutely.

a rock? not so much, but it's still not a good idea.

i'd say work on your aggression factor w/o loosening your starting requirements too much
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: Is it so bad to be passive (a rock)?

Thank you.

My rating is TP A. Right now I have an aggression factor of 2.1 and I raise preflop 6.65%, but I think that number went up during my "correction period". I will see how everything turns out.

I have noticed that, at least in Party, the most profitable way to play is sL A A. Maniacs. Cant be that way. How can I possibly put 3 dollars in 45 offsuit? I dont feel it right. I might some day. Who knows?.

Thanks for replying again.

AlexMR
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:47 PM
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I have noticed that, at least in Party, the most profitable way to play is sL A A. Maniacs. Cant be that way. How can I possibly put 3 dollars in 45 offsuit? I dont feel it right. I might some day. Who knows?.
AlexMR

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first off slaa aren't maniacs.

second off, buy SSHE.
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Old 04-27-2005, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: Is it so bad to be passive (a rock)?

ok. SSHE by Miller is first in my list. What other do u recommend?
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