Bodog 100k hand, correct line?

#1 10-23-2005, 02:17 PM

Bodog 100k 100+9
Blinds 5/10, five minutes into tourney, stacks all even except one guy with 20 chips, and the guy with all of that guy's chips, both in MP/MP+1.
Dealt AQo UTG

Raise to 45
UTG+1 calls
MP pushes for 20 chips

Flop
Ah Kd 4c

I lead half the pot, villain calls

Turn
7h

I lead a little over half the pot, and villain minraises.

What is my line from here?

CardSharpCook · #2 10-23-2005, 02:36 PM

heh, call down. Could be an interesting river decision.

adanthar · #3 10-23-2005, 02:37 PM

With no read and knowing that I'm gonna get to see the guy's hand, I fold this and don't think twice about it.

#4 10-23-2005, 02:39 PM

Here's what I said and I'd like to hear why this may be wrong.

Fold preflop..since that didn't happen >

Fold there turn. Minraise might be a weaker ace trying to get information but I'd generally give the players in the bodog 100k come credit for not being donks, and wouldn't be calling a UTG raise there with a weaker ace. So I don't think AQ is ahead here. Against AK or a set you're drawing dead and also facing a river bet.

with 775ish left in your stack there I think it's a fold.

CardSharpCook · #5 10-23-2005, 02:43 PM

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With no read and knowing that I'm gonna get to see the guy's hand, I fold this and don't think twice about it.

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Wow, I wish everyone was like you!!! Folding TPTK at the slightest resistance!! HA! I should bring the turn min-raise into my arsenal, I guess.

CardSharpCook · #6 10-23-2005, 02:45 PM

Why in the world are you folding AQ PF? Is it because you are UTG??? Do you normally fold monsters UTG? I don't get it. Fine, a case could be made for folding the turn, but you can't immediately put your opponent on a hand that beats yours just because he raised. He could be hoping that you fold your JJ here, he could feel like he should be raising his AJ so he does.

adanthar · #7 10-23-2005, 02:46 PM

Conversely, I hope you don't decide to put somebody on AJ every time they call an AK4 board and then minraise a 7.

#8 10-23-2005, 03:39 PM

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Why in the world are you folding AQ PF? Is it because you are UTG??? Do you normally fold monsters UTG? I don't get it.

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Yes because it's UTG. My feeling is that UTG raise represents strength. You're not going to get the hands you want in there with you because of that. Good players will not come in with things like AJ and KQ to an utg raiser. You will however get things like AK and pocket pairs which combined with you being out of position post flop, I think it's better to fold something like AQo.

P.S. Since when is AQo a "monster" ?

Fold on the turn because what hand plays like that which hero is ahead of? AK and 44 fit into that range. maybe something like AJ or to a lesser extent K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

If you call the turn what do you plan to do on the river? pot will be around 700 and you'll have 655 left.

#9 10-23-2005, 05:15 PM

If that micro stack had not been in the hand, does your play change any adanthar?

pooh74 · #10 10-23-2005, 07:31 PM

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With no read and knowing that I'm gonna get to see the guy's hand, I fold this and don't think twice about it.

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Don't you think this is an important part of the hand? A thinking villain knows HIS hand is going to be turned over here so aminraise on that inncocuous turn might scare me more than usually...though I'd still call.