SSH - Good example of check-raising with mid-pair

JoshuaD · #1 01-22-2005, 12:14 PM

Check-raising with mid-pair seems to be one of those concepts alot of people (myself included) had trouble understanding when they first read SSH. I just played this hand a few minutes ago, and I think it's a really good example of what Ed was trying to teach us.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

edit: Now that I look over the hand more, It would have been a much better example if the pot was larger, but the concept is there.

Jasmien · #2 01-22-2005, 01:14 PM

hm im not sure. there was no aggression preflop so how can we know who will bet? What if BB bets and UTG calls?

moot · #3 01-22-2005, 01:20 PM

I dunno about this. Had the 3 been of a different suit I could understand.

Seems like the idea is to check the flop, then bet/raise if a blank comes (figuring you now have the best hand). But here you're likely to get called by anyone with a high club. Someone might even have the flush.

I could be wrong, though. That section of SSH is still a little shakey for me.

JoshuaD · #4 01-22-2005, 01:27 PM

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hm im not sure. there was no aggression preflop so how can we know who will bet? What if BB bets and UTG calls?

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Then I chuck my hand.

JoshuaD · #5 01-22-2005, 01:31 PM

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Seems like the idea is to check the flop, then bet/raise if a blank comes (figuring you now have the best hand). But here you're likely to get called by anyone with a high club. Someone might even have the flush.

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If it gets checked through, I don't mind too much. If a low non-club falls I can figure I'm ahead and value bet.

The thing is I'm not very attached to this pot when I check it. If UTG+1 bets, I raise. If BB bets and UTG+1 folds, I'd probably raise. If UTG+1 calls instead I fold.

If it's checked through and a low club comes on the turn I'd bet/fold, if it was higher than my pair, I'd check/fold.

walkdoc · #6 01-22-2005, 01:32 PM

no, I think he was correct in his play. They, SSH, teach us to be aggressive w/ a good hand. Obviously the player that folded did not have a club flush draw. And, as Hero said, if he was raised, or bet into on the turn, then he'd have folded.
Overall, I think this was a decent example.

JoshuaD · #7 01-22-2005, 01:36 PM

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I dunno about this. Had the 3 been of a different suit I could understand.

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That's actually worse for me. I'd rather do this play on a semi-coordinated board than on K72 with a pair of 7's.

davelin · #8 01-22-2005, 01:37 PM

I like especially if you know villain in this case will bet when checked to him in position.

Niediam · #9 01-22-2005, 02:04 PM

Check raising the flop is bad in this situation. There is a real possibility of giving a free card since nobody showed any aggression preflop and there are two overcards to your pair. In addition, by check raising you are not defining your opponents hand at all. Did he bet on the end because he has an ace? Or just because he was trying to steal the pot? Bet out instead.

bottomset · #10 01-22-2005, 02:11 PM

why exactly are you making these plays in a 3SB pot???