66 - Open raise from MP v. 1 cold-caller

[meep_42]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets...</font>

-d

[EliteNinja]

Looks good.

Since you raised preflop, you have to keep betting even with 2 cards on the board higher than your pair. (Anyone else have an opinion on this?)

River bet is good as you hold a marginal hand (nines or queens beat you). If believe your opponent to be passive, you should bet this river. You want your opponent to either:

A) Fold a better hand than yours
B) Call a worse hand than yours

You don't want him to:

C) Call with a stronger hand than yours

But if you don't bet, he may bet and bluff you off the pot.


However, if your opponent can raise you on the river a lot (agressive), you should be so inclined to just check/call.

[tiltaholic]

meep-

i like preflop.
postflop my play is read dependant.
against a weak player, i'm auto-betting the flop and betting turn and river blanks as you did (folding to a raise).
against an aggressive or unknown player, i don't really know what to do.

[Jasmien]

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You want your opponent to either:

A) Fold a better hand than yours
B) Call a worse hand than yours

You don't want him to:

C) Call with a stronger hand than yours

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You opponent called you down the whole way, so he will only rarely fold a better hand if you bet again. I see him:
a) calling with a better hand most of the time
b) calling with a worse hand sometimes
c) fold his flushdraw

i would check the river

[EliteNinja]

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You opponent called you down the whole way, so he will only rarely fold a better hand if you bet again. I see him:

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I find that many players will call up to the river and fold for one more bet. This is quite player dependent. I don't like check/calling here, though, if your opponent will always bet the river no matter what he has if you check.

If you check/call the river, the only way you can win is if he is bluffing.

If you bet, you can win two ways:
1) he calls and you beat his hand
2) he may fold a better hand like nines

I bet this river as a default play unless I have a read.

Maybe I'm wrong and Jasmien is correct?
Anyone else have an opinion?

[realbad101]

I think this falls into the Sklanskian category of only betting when you will beat a caller 55% of the time. Which you won't. Either he has you beat and calls, or he folds his flush draw or JT. Yes, sure, a river bet gets 9's to fold some of the time, but I don't see this as a case of betting for value or where you cause a better hand to fold often enough to make a bet correct here.

[meep_42]

Say the board is (Q27)53 and you have 88 -- bet there?

-d

[Shillx]

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Looks good.

Since you raised preflop, you have to keep betting even with 2 cards on the board higher than your pair. (Anyone else have an opinion on this?)

River bet is good as you hold a marginal hand (nines or queens beat you). If believe your opponent to be passive, you should bet this river. You want your opponent to either:

A) Fold a better hand than yours
B) Call a worse hand than yours

You don't want him to:

C) Call with a stronger hand than yours

But if you don't bet, he may bet and bluff you off the pot.


However, if your opponent can raise you on the river a lot (agressive), you should be so inclined to just check/call.

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What good can come out of betting the river? No one with a better hand will fold here. Obviously no one is folding a queen. It is pretty safe to say that no one will fold a nine. It is rare, but there are players who will call all the way to the river with less then top pair, and will then fold at the river for one bet if they don't improve to 2-pair or better. The problem is a) we don't have a read, b) these players are rare and c) these players go broke very quickly so they are even rarer still.

This river is either a check/fold or a check/call. It all depends on the opponent.

Brad