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Old 12-10-2005, 02:30 PM
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I was filling it in but there arn't enough options for my lines.

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Old 12-10-2005, 02:32 PM
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I would consider it with K6 on the TT6 flop and Q9 on the A9x flop.

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I really like bet-3bet on this board. I think you're getting raised a lot on boards like this with big braodways because they think you are FOS. I think you end up having a fair amount of equity since you have kings reverse dominated.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:34 PM
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I would consider it with K6 on the TT6 flop and Q9 on the A9x flop.

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I think you end up having a fair amount of equity since you have kings reverse dominated.

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There's no reverse domination on this board.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:36 PM
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Good point. I just realized that too.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:38 PM
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I still like bet/3-bet on the TT6 flop with K6, though.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:43 PM
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I still like bet/3-bet on the TT6 flop with K6, though.

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So do I. I was writing the message pretty fast and didn't really think about what I was saying as far as reverse dominating other kings, but it was kind of a secondary point anyways. I think we have good equity, and we can do this with lots of other hands too. Other pockets, maybe even a T occasionally.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:03 PM
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You have: T9o Flop: Q76r

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I don't understand why there are a fair amount of people checkraisng this one (as opposed to c/f or c/c+fold turn UI)?
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:22 PM
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Probably because he's not going to have hit a Q76 board very often, and you can probably get UI overcards to lay down by the turn (if not the flop) a good portion of the time. Plus your pairing outs are usually good so you have decent equity even if called.
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Old 12-10-2005, 04:49 PM
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I think the Q76 one (holding T9) relates to some of the heads-up play discussed in HEFAP where they recommend just taking the top card and turning it into a deuce in your mind (and you won't be to far off from correct strategy much of the time according to S&M).

Doing it that way...you should think of it kind of as holding T9 on a board of 762 so you're holding over-cards to the board.

Basically....S&M are advocating that you not be scared by one litle overcard (especially if it's not an ace) and that your outs stand a good chance of being clean.
All 8's are good....your 9's and T's are usually going to be good.

I would also consider bet/calling this flop and then possibly donking a rag on the turn.
This might be because I've had a habit lately of taking pots with just one flop bet when I was looking to bet/3-bet a biggish hand.

There are other situations where I like to bet-call but since that's not even an option on these I guess it just shows that I'm not taking/maintaining the initiative enough and that i really shouldn't be doing that.
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Old 12-10-2005, 04:53 PM
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My instinct on the KKQ (holding A6) is to bet/fold.

Same with the 77 on AKQ flop (bet/fold).
This is an equally scary flop for your opponent perhaps and if he doesn't have any of it he may get out of the way right then. He could even surrender something as strong as QT or Q9 here.

Part of my thinking here goes to my previous observation that I've been taking many pots with just one flop bet when I was looking to bet/3-bet a biggish hand. I bet once on whatever kind of flop and my opponents keep getting out of my way.


I know we have a read on our opponent here....but I tend to base my decisions here on recent happenings at the table.


If I've had a couple of crap-bluffs looked up or if I caught lucky on the river on my semi-bluffs a couple times and showed it then there's less of a chance my opponent will let me take the AKQ flop with just 1 bet.

If I've been playing fast and always showing big-cards and top-pair for the last several hands then betting out can actually scare-away better hands than mine.


That's the meta-game stuff.
My default play is to take a shot at it with my 77 and then let him have it.



then again, the chances of him pairing the board AND having a better club aren't too high as all the best high-clubs are already out there.
perhaps we should more strongly consider the chances that it's and either/or.
either our 77 is good and if NOT then our club outs are probably good.

Is this a reasonable line of thinking or am I really over-reaching with that logic?
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