AA in BB, lots of pf action, flop set w/action, turn scary

easypete · #1 11-19-2004, 09:35 AM

I don't know that much of this hand is interesting (I think pretty much straight forward), just thought that the river decision was pretty interesting.

Players of consequence in the hand:

UTG - 45/5/2.3 (VPIP/PFR/AF-T) - somewhat agressive on flop w/ any draw and any pair.
SB - 35/12/3.1 - Will 3-bet/cap pf w/ any PP, overplays overcards, etc.

Party 3/6 (10 handed) (Converter) 

Preflop:
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UTG raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, I cap, UTG calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Flop: (3 players) 13 SB
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SB bets, I raise, UTG calls, SB 3-bets, I cap, UTG calls

With the preflop action, I can't believe I'm beat. Neither UTG or SB was CDC (even tho SB has CDC-like stats), so I didn't think that 32 was out there. I'm way ahead here.

Turn: (3 players) 12.5BB

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SB checks, I bet, UTG raises, SB calls, I call.

Ok... I think I'm beat by UTG here. Don't know what he would have with a 2, but 76s may be there. But I got outs...

River: (3 players) 18.5BB

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SB checks, I check (knowing I'm beat), UTG bets $5.5 and is all-in, SB calls.... I raise?

Piiop · #2 11-19-2004, 09:54 AM

Cmon, how can you not 3-bet the turn?

bakku · #3 11-19-2004, 10:01 AM

Hi Pete,

I see no reason to not just put UTG all-in on the turn. The river card doesn't matter here because he's not folding, you're not folding, and SB doesn't look like he's folding either.

Edit: Assuming you're behind on the turn is horribly weak-tight thinking

easypete · #4 11-19-2004, 10:07 AM

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Cmon, how can you not 3-bet the turn?

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Hi Pete,

I see no reason to not just put UTG all-in on the turn. The river card doesn't matter here because he's not folding, you're not folding, and SB doesn't look like he's folding either.

Edit: Assuming you're behind on the turn is horribly weak-tight thinking

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Hmmm.... Unfortunately, I was involved in another hand on another table (K-high straight flush on turn w/ little action) and didn't see that UTG only had 5.5 left. If I saw that, then I'm putting UTG all in. (It would have ended up w/ the same # of bets in the pot).

But yes... 4 to a straight on board. SB and UTG loose cannons. I did believe that a hand like 22 or 67 was out there.

Homer315 · #5 11-19-2004, 10:18 AM

But do you think either of them are raising from UTG or 3-betting either of those hands? That seems totally outlandish. I think it's a clear error to not raise the turn. If you lost this hand, I'd be shocked.

I think it's far more likely UTG has AKs, AQs or AKo and was doing something like simply calling all the bets at the flop so that he get the both of you to bet into him on the turn, enabling him to raise.

bakku · #6 11-19-2004, 10:19 AM

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Cmon, how can you not 3-bet the turn?

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Hi Pete,

I see no reason to not just put UTG all-in on the turn. The river card doesn't matter here because he's not folding, you're not folding, and SB doesn't look like he's folding either.

Edit: Assuming you're behind on the turn is horribly weak-tight thinking

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Hmmm.... Unfortunately, I was involved in another hand on another table (K-high straight flush on turn w/ little action) and didn't see that UTG only had 5.5 left. If I saw that, then I'm putting UTG all in. (It would have ended up w/ the same # of bets in the pot).

But yes... 4 to a straight on board. SB and UTG loose cannons. I did believe that a hand like 22 or 67 was out there.

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A player that raises only 5% of his hands is most likely not raising 22 or 76s UTG. SB would have done something other than CC the turn if he had a straight, not to mention he 3-bet preflop so it's very unlikely he has one either.

BTW, having not 3-bet the turn I like the river c/r.

Festus22 · #7 11-19-2004, 10:26 AM

Pete - say it ain't so!

Do you really think an UTG with a 5% preflop raise stat is open raising with 7-6s or a hand with a deuce?

The turn 3-bet just HAS to be made. You have the SB trapped. Plus, if by some wild stroke of bad luck you are actually behind, you have a 10-out redraw.

Serious case of seeing monsters. Of course I'm sure you'll tell me SB flipped 7-2o for the nuts. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

easypete · #8 11-19-2004, 10:26 AM

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A player that raises only 5% of his hands is most likely not raising 22 or 76s UTG. SB would have done something other than CC the turn if he had a straight, not to mention he 3-bet preflop so it's very unlikely he has one either.

BTW, having not 3-bet the turn I like the river c/r.

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After the turn, I'm not too worried about SB. Thus the c/r. I figured that if I'm beat by UTG, I can at least win 1BB from SB. I did see only 5.5 at the beginning of the river round of betting. If I bet out, SB would just call. If I c/r, then I could get 1 BB out of SB.

UTG shows Q2o UTG must have been tilting (didn't notice any beats previous, but only having 7BB on table should have thrown up some flags).

SB shows A6s

easypete · #9 11-19-2004, 10:32 AM

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Pete - say it ain't so!

Do you really think an UTG with a 5% preflop raise stat is open raising with 7-6s or a hand with a deuce?

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Yeah... I agree I was weak... I'm picking out a nice pink dress (a nice strapless number w/ sequins). I just didn't put enough thought into the turn decision. Ugh! I suck!

Festus22 · #10 11-19-2004, 10:44 AM

Nah, you don't suck. It's quite easy to lose a bit of objectivity in the heat of battle. This is why I think it's best to read every single hand posted and determine what you would do before reading on. Kind of like a brain programming technique that once certain correct play patterns become ingrained, the ones where you'll be uncertain will become less frequent.