SB push with 53s ... stay with me

CieloAzor · #1 12-14-2005, 05:26 PM

I push all the time here with good results. It's rare for me to see somebody call with less than A-high, a pair, or two broadway cards, and many players are even tighter than that, waiting for a pair or a medium/strong ace. Add in the times when 53s wins the pot and you're well in the black.

I hate folding around to a guy with a stack that small and calling will just entice him to push into you. I think you have to force him to make the call and then win the hand.

psyduck · #2 12-14-2005, 05:39 PM

More info that I sorta alluded to in the OP - average is 15x, I have slightly above that, and villain has 5x.

I think it's the PERFECT situation to push because it's so borderline. Villian isn't auto-committed as he would be with 3x or so. With 5x, he could fold here and the SB next hand and still have 3.5x, which he knows still has good fold equity during the next orbit (since people were playing tight and minraises were taking down the pot half the time preflop!)

if he has 3x I fold, 4x is tougher, 5x me likey.

locutus2002 · #3 12-14-2005, 05:54 PM

Villain has 4XBB left as stated in the problem, the BB is a sunk cost. Villain gets 5XBB:4XBB pot odds and has to be 44% in the hand against hero's range to make the call. Less if you are willing to take an EV- proposition on a micro stack.

What is hero's range for pushing? Judging from the donktastic responses it's any two.

From my point of view your logic is flawed, the more chips villain has the wider range hero should push. However 53s should not be in any pushing range where you can resonably expect villain to call.