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Old 12-02-2005, 02:51 AM
Allinlife Allinlife is offline
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Default 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

villain 25/7.. a bit on the loose side, called my preflop reraise with KJ and we checked it down on J22 flop after flop bet (i had KJo too) so I guess he know's i'm not "rock tight"

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $25</font>, SB (poster) calls $20, Hero calls $15.

Flop: ($75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, Button calls $55, SB folds.

Turn: ($185) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $160</font>, Hero calls $80.

River: ($505) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $600</font>, Hero calls $600.

Final Pot: $1705



hand 2
villian 36/12, not much frontations between us yet


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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $35.

Flop: ($100) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, UTG calls $80.

Turn: ($260) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $180</font>, UTG calls $180.

River: ($620) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero bets 300, Villan pushes, Hero calls for 800 more

Final Pot: $2800
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:57 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

boooooooooooooooo

1 maybe, 2 king high? don't really like turn play either given villain is not rock tight. If you want him to fold check raise turn in hand 2? same in 1?
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:08 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

yea, hand 2 is donk, whats to stop him from having A-high flush draw?
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:12 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

If I saw you play Hand 2 the way you did, I'd buddy list you immediately
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:12 AM
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lol
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

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Old 12-02-2005, 03:19 AM
FoxwoodsFiend FoxwoodsFiend is offline
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

Also, what do you put villain on in hand 1? The minraise then overbet are clearly suspicious and against the right players I make this call but I'm just curious what your read is
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:55 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

you're not stu ungar, just fold (hand 2)
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

Hi AIL,

Hand 1: I really don't think you should be betting the turn, and if you do, I wouldn't bet 80. I would generally check-call when I was relatively certain I wasn't ahead and Villain seemed to concur, and I would check-raise big when there was more doubt. Betting 80 and then not pushing over the top of his raise (which I don't recommend anyway) lets him get exactly as much money in on the turn as he's comfortable with when he has a good one pair hand. The river call is situation/opponent dependent; could be good I guess.

Hand 2 is so god-awful that I suspect you won this one, and that planted some doubt in your mind as to whether this might be OK. It ain't. You don't beat a fair number of his bluffs--wouldn't you be sick to be paying off the busted nut (hehe) diamond draw? And, he doesn't really look like he's bluffing to me. I mean, you bet 180 on the turn to shut out his draws, right? And he called...basically you beat QJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 87 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and it's entirely possible those hands would've raised you on the turn.

Me no likey.
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Old 12-02-2005, 08:14 AM
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Default Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?

Hand 1: Looks like he has you beat. Maybe TT. If his pfraise is only 7%, there aren't many hands you are ahead of here that he would bluff crazy.

Hand 2: C'mon. You are better than that.
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