$55: BB Flops trips no kicker, flush draw comes on turn

downtown · #1 10-18-2005, 10:45 AM

PP $55

Need a line check here.

Turn: I don't think I get called by anything that I am ahead of, so I checked with the intention of folding to some sort of reasonable bet.

River: I played this hand so weak, meh. Blocking bet maybe?

Thoughts on flop, turn, and river appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t970)
UTG (t895)
UTG+1 (t1010)
MP1 (t2255)
MP2 (t885)
MP3 (t810)
CO (t925)
Button (t1275)
SB (t975)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 2 folds, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Button calls t30, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, UTG calls t75, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t300) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (t300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t225, Hero calls t225.

Final Pot: t750

fnord_too · #2 10-18-2005, 10:51 AM

I probably bet the river, about half the pot. If villain is aggressive, I think a check call is good. Turn - what can you do? Being oop sucks. (Actually that last bit goes for the flop and river, too.)

tigerite · #3 10-18-2005, 10:51 AM

Your line was perfect if you wanted to induce the bluff.

schwza · #4 10-18-2005, 10:59 AM

i think it's fine, expect you should check/fold the river. well, i could go either way on betting the flop too, but i think the river should definitely be a fold.

what's he going to have when he calls the flop? a flush draw, Ax, a PP like 88, or air. i don't think he has 2x utg unless maybe it's A2s.

when he checks the turn, it could still be any of these, so we don't gain much info.

when he bets the river, what could he have? he'd be dumb to bet 88 - the old "it's not a value bet or a bluff" bet. the flush draw got there, and you're behind Ax. so unless you think this is an elaborate delayed bluff with KQ or a bad bet from 88, i'd fold. i think you'll see 22, A2, or a flush most often.

schwza · #5 10-18-2005, 11:00 AM

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Your line was perfect if you wanted to induce the bluff.

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from what?

tigerite · #6 10-18-2005, 11:05 AM

I never said he was right to induce the bluff [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Could be absolutely anything, you often see a pocket pair with a line like this. After all "two aces are out, he can't have the third". That's how the donks think, anyway.

schwza · #7 10-18-2005, 11:10 AM

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I never said he was right to induce the bluff [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Could be absolutely anything, you often see a pocket pair with a line like this. After all "two aces are out, he can't have the third". That's how the donks think, anyway.

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so you mean it's a value bet? or maybe that it's wrong to give an unknown enough credit to not bet there with 88?

#8 10-18-2005, 11:12 AM

In this situation I'd be more inclined to think UTG is on a flush draw, were he holding an ace he probably would've re-raised on the flop to at least see where he was at, the only other hands I could seem him playing this way would be a medium PP or a weak ace the latter is kinda unlikely since he called from UTG, and the way you played this hand I could see how on the river someone with a medium PP might take a stab at it thinking your flop bet was just a bluff.

I think the flop bet was fine, I'd bet around 150 on the turn and if I'm called I'm fairly certain I'm beat, but I think here is where you stand the best chance of picking up the pot or at least seeing where you are at, on the river you really have no idea if your hand is good or not playing it this way. The way you played it I'd still call the river bet.

steelcmg · #9 10-18-2005, 11:27 AM

I think i would want to bet more then 75 on that flop i would go atleast 120. Anyone agree with betting more then 75 there.

bigt439 · #10 10-18-2005, 12:07 PM

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I think i would want to bet more then 75 on that flop i would go atleast 120. Anyone agree with betting more then 75 there.

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Yup.

Turn check good. It's a scary board for him if he's not bigger than you, so I don't think you need to be worried about being blown off your hand very much. I'd re-evaluate but it looks like it should probably be a check fold on the turn... why would he bet a pp or the like there?

When it gets checked through I like a small bet as a blocker / value bet. Again, I'm not terribly worried about getting blown off my hand, so if he raises I think a fold is easy. You also would like to collect some value from a pp that he'll check through. If you checked and he bet like that I actually think it should probably be a check fold because what is he betting (a pp wants a showdown and there aren't any real bluff hands), but I hate doing it and I'm mad I put myself in that position.