Won $ when seeing flop

[Guy McSucker]

The original post in this thread and a reply by TeeJayorTJ concerning pTracker's W$WSF stat have me thinking.

Is this a useful stat? Because these guys are seeing a lot of flops (30+ VP$IP) and winning around 45% of the time they see a flop. Given that they presumably also win a lot of hands preflop, that's a lot of pots they're winning.

So how is this done? Getting to showdown a lot? Finding opponents who are really good at folding? Or just plain running good?

My W$WSF has always been 38-39. Do I just suck?

Guy.

[baronzeus]

38 here, when I was running bad, and 40 when I was running good.

VPIP aroun 22

38WTSD 51WON@SD

[sammy_g]

I don't think you should look at this stat without also considering VP$IP, WTSD%, and W$SD. This number doesn't tell you much in isolation.

[TheMetetron]

W$WSF 44%
W$SD 54%
WtSD 37%
VPIP 25%
PFR 20%


How good am I running? Well, I know I'm running good cause I'm like 4.5 BB/100 over the 6.5k hands or so this is at $10/20.

I know winning stats vary quite a bit, and crunching numbers certainly isn't the best way to improve. But out of curiosity, can anyone see obvious gameplay flaws in the following numbers? These are from 11.3k hands of 1/2 and 2/4 6-max, at an underwhelming .59BB/100 (my first three weeks of SH).

W$WSF 36.48%
VP$IP 21.78
PFR 14.48
WTSD 32.86
W$@SD 51.02
AF 2.80

Thanks.

[dave44]

At 10/20...
19,791 hands
25.09 VP$IP
44.13 W$WSF
32.8 WTSD
55.05 W$@SD

W$WSF is scaring the [censored] out of me because it suggests I'm running very good, which my winrate does not agree with. The other stats don't seem to reflect running quite as good either.

[joop]

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But out of curiosity, can anyone see obvious gameplay flaws in the following numbers?

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Nope, but it looks like you're running bad. So don't stress about your BB/100 for now.

[stripsqueez]

like almost all pokertracker stats its not much good in isolation - ie isolation from other stats and isolation from the winning plan

one of the poker deitys from these boards once posted some stats for 10/20 6 max which were something like - WTSD 40%, W$@SD 49%, W$WSF 42, VP$IP 28% - despite winning less than half the showdowns they got to they were beating the game for plenty - the rationale was that a loosish very aggro style meant he was obliged to call down a lot when he had some showdown potential

i know a rock who went around at about 2BB's/100 in the 5/10 6 max game with WTSD 33%, W$@SD 57%, W$WSF 37%, VP$IP 22% - not sure if thats exactly right but its close - certainly in the 5/10 game i think your WTSD% should be lower than in the 10/20 game but these stats otherwise present a considerable comparison for winning strategies

stripsqueez - chickenhawk