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08-05-2005, 06:14 PM
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You don\'t fold these, do you?
I open raise KQo UTG. Next guy cold calls. He's way too loose. Button 3-bets. He's kind of tight. Folded to me, I call, next guy calls.
Flop: K 8 5 with two clubs of which I have none. I check, next guy checks, button bets, I check-raise, they both call. Turn: offsuit 9. I bet, they both call. River: offsuit 5. I bet, next guy raises, button cold calls. Every fibre of my being is screaming at me to fold because it's just so bloody obvious the raiser has some crappy hand with a 5 in it. But I'm getting 16-1 here. On the other hand, the only reason I'm getting 16-1 is because the preflop 3-bettor is still in there. Hmmm. So? Guy. 
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#6
08-07-2005, 11:19 PM
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Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?
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[ QUOTE ] i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise? [/ QUOTE ] because the button 3bet pf and called 2 on the riv.
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#7
08-07-2005, 11:20 PM
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Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise? [/ QUOTE ] because the button 3bet pf and called 2 on the riv. [/ QUOTE ] This is QQ JJ and TT too if Button has a hard time getting rid of good hands. Maybe AA too.
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#8
08-07-2005, 11:28 PM
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Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise? [/ QUOTE ] because the button 3bet pf and called 2 on the riv. [/ QUOTE ] This is QQ JJ and TT too if Button has a hard time getting rid of good hands. Maybe AA too. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Button 3-bets. He's kind of tight [/ QUOTE ] that would invalidate this statement. regardless, its quite a parlay to have both of these guys beat here given the action.
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#9
08-07-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?
I agree with you here victor, I'm just saying, a lot of rocks have a tough time getting rid of good starting hands here. It's a fold here, because I think villain #1 has a random 5.
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#10
08-08-2005, 12:22 AM
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Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?
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I agree with you here victor, I'm just saying, a lot of rocks have a tough time getting rid of good starting hands here. It's a fold here, because I think villain #1 has a random 5. [/ QUOTE ] heres what im getting at. if we assume the river raiser is a normal unknown then we would call if it was heads up. if the guy who called 2 cold was a total donk who goes to sd with any piece (there are a lot of these guys as we know) then we would call here too.
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