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Old 07-31-2005, 08:02 PM
jeffraider jeffraider is offline
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Default I am confident I was just PWNED

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: DustinHill ( $745 )
Seat 2: PeHones ( $802 )
Seat 3: HERO ( $730 )
Seat 4: samuelsosa ( $625 )
Seat 5: LadyLuck19 ( $1095 )
Seat 7: LuBigBonk ( $2210 )
Seat 8: CardioSurgen ( $770 )
Seat 9: PrizeFight1 ( $1023 )
Trny:14432089 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ad Kd ]
PrizeFight1 folds.
DustinHill folds.
PeHones folds.
HERO calls [30].
samuelsosa folds.
LadyLuck19 folds.
LuBigBonk calls [15].
CardioSurgen checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Kc, 9s ]
LuBigBonk checks.
CardioSurgen checks.
HERO bets [90].
LuBigBonk calls [90].
CardioSurgen folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
LuBigBonk bets [30].
HERO calls [30].
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
LuBigBonk bets [30].
HERO calls [30].
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Old 07-31-2005, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

I have no problem raising this river and folding to a push.
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Old 07-31-2005, 08:25 PM
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

fairly new here.... pwned means??
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Old 07-31-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

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fairly new here.... pwned means??

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It means owned in geek-speak

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Old 07-31-2005, 08:52 PM
lastchance lastchance is offline
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

I raise preflop, especially in CO-1, and I think it's very correct.

Calling the turn might be ok, but when I hit trip kings on the river, I'm raising.
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Old 07-31-2005, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

Reraise on that river and raise PF. You're holding a good hand around CO, and by the river you've got trips made. Try to extract value from them.
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Old 07-31-2005, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

people will push back all in with worse hands, the hand is pretty butchered so i dont think theres nearly enough info to raise and fold.
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Old 07-31-2005, 09:24 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

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people will push back all in with worse hands, the hand is pretty butchered so i dont think theres nearly enough info to raise and fold.

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Raising and calling is also not bad, I am just saying that you can't not raise here.
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Old 07-31-2005, 09:55 PM
david050173 david050173 is offline
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

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Reraise on that river and raise PF. You're holding a good hand around CO, and by the river you've got trips made. Try to extract value from them.

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I don't see how trips really helps your hand. Sure he could have lower 2 pair which you beat but I think the odds of facing KQ,JT or a miniflush are just as likely as being up against a hand you can beat but will also call a bet (KJ?kT?). Obviuosly if your playing 5+1 you are more likely to be called by any king than in the higher levels.

I would have raised him on the turn. If he had the flush, there was no card that was coming that would help my hand. If he just calls my raise, I am done with the hand if I can't show it down cheaply. If he had a 1 spade and a straight draw, no need to let him get a cheap draw.
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Old 07-31-2005, 10:09 PM
jeffraider jeffraider is offline
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Default Re: I am confident I was just PWNED

Thanks a lot for all of your replies! I absolutely must start raising AKs PF in spots like this. I've been experimenting (with good success) with limping AK in the early levels, but I think that this is a must raise now.

Postflop, this guy just pwned me with his minbet on the turn. Something in my head screamed HE HAS THE FLUSH OMG and I just called, planning on calling up to about 100 on the river. The river K didn't help my hand if he has a flush, so I just called as well, happy to see his flush for cheap. By see his flush I mean see his Q8o, unfortunately. I ended up winning this hand, but cost myself some money with the passive play.

I pretty rarely see monsters like this, normally I'm the opposite and don't give enough credit, but this guy's minbet just sold me completely. After thinking it over, I think raising him on the turn is the best way to play this hand, and if you just call on the turn I think raising the K river is a must too. I believe if I had have raised him on the river and he pushed or reraised I would have folded, which I don't think is terrible, neither is raising and calling.

Thanks so much for all the help!
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