calling down with TP - Page 2

jba · #11 06-10-2005, 02:22 PM

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i dont think it's a value raise. you're most likely getting 3bet. you're most likely not getting a free card. TP is not looking that great on this flop.

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But you have an OESD to go along with your TPGK.

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i'd discount that by 50% because of how often you're splitting

private joker · #12 06-10-2005, 02:39 PM

Yeah, I think you actually might have enough equity here to raise the flop for value. You're way ahead of AJ and AT, which could easily be betting here.

deacsoft · #13 06-10-2005, 02:42 PM

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QxJdTxr flop
SB checks, BB bets, both limpers call, i call, SB folds. (4 for 7BB)

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I raise that flop.

ihardlyknowher · #14 06-10-2005, 03:15 PM

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you're most likely getting 3bet.

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Huh?

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you're most likely not getting a free card.

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I don't want a free card. I am raising the flop and betting a non-scary turn card. He has top pair with second best kicker and no one else raised preflop. He most likely has the best hand and needs to protect it.

SeaEagle · #15 06-10-2005, 03:36 PM

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i'd discount that by 50% because of how often you're splitting

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You think you're splitting 50% of the time?

jba · #16 06-10-2005, 04:30 PM

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i'd discount that by 50% because of how often you're splitting

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You think you're splitting 50% of the time?

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reread my post in context.

I think you're splitting 50% of the time you hit your straight.

jba · #17 06-10-2005, 04:32 PM

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I don't want a free card. I am raising the flop and betting a non-scary turn card. He has top pair with second best kicker and no one else raised preflop. He most likely has the best hand and needs to protect it.

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you are in last position in a 14bb pot - a raise does nothing to protect your hand. you think someone is folding here??

edit: of course I mean 14sb pot

mister · #18 06-10-2005, 05:09 PM

I find the biggest flaw in my game is not letting go of top pair in a hand like this. I pay people off all the time with 2 pair or better.

Klepton · #19 06-10-2005, 05:32 PM

raise the flop

i like the idea of calling if you were going to raise the turn

he has no proven that he has you beat

SoSo · #20 06-10-2005, 06:05 PM

why not raise this flop?

top pair + open ended str8 draw, surely you want to build a big pot especially with 3 players effectively comitted to calling your raise.

If your 3-bet i think you'll have to put your plan into action for the river, but betting this flop and seeing how it goes from then on would be my play.