Marginal hand #5 Flush draw turns sour

grjr · #1 06-05-2005, 01:55 AM

Since everyone has been clamoring for more marginal hands [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I thought I'd post this one that happened a little while ago. You guys can debate the play up to the turn if you want but this is the way I play these hands. My question is what do you do on the turn?

Both villains are MegaFish* LPP's. Each one sees 70-80% of flops.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero???

Buckmulligan · #2 06-05-2005, 01:58 AM

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Crap your pants. We don't even have 9 outs here, and I'm pretty sure UTG is 3 betting this. I'm taking the weak route and mucking this.

istewart · #3 06-05-2005, 02:11 AM

What's with the preflop call?

grjr · #4 06-05-2005, 02:19 AM

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I call there with that hand every time.

Kevin K. · #5 06-05-2005, 08:18 AM

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Since everyone has been clamoring for more marginal hands [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I thought I'd post this one that happened a little while ago. You guys can debate the play up to the turn if you want but this is the way I play these hands. My question is what do you do on the turn?

Both villains are MegaFish* LPP's. Each one sees 70-80% of flops.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero???

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I fold the turn. Flop was capped and you're drawing to third nut flush on a paired board with a couple of guys who are passive but obviously like their chances here. Ax, JJ, AJ, is what I see from both of these guys. Key being, they are passive. They're not betting flush draws. You're getting 6.5-1 but you're probably going to have to call 2 more and the paired board can crush you if one of them fills up (If they haven't already.)

ArturiusX · #6 06-05-2005, 09:04 AM

Its close, but capping behind/tainted board pairing outs make this a muck for mine.

topspin · #7 06-05-2005, 10:15 AM

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What's with the preflop call?

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I call there with that hand every time.

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Why? I fold this there every time.

Fantam · #8 06-05-2005, 11:01 AM

At the turn I would call.

You were being offered 7:1 at that stage. Even if the turn were capped you would still be getting nearly 5:1 to call, and the odds of making your flush on the river were about 4:1.

Its possible that if you made your flush, that you could still lose to a higher flush or full-house. However, I think that the odds were still in your favour to call the turn raise, because its not certain that the turn would have been capped.

aron · #9 06-05-2005, 11:17 AM

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What's with the preflop call?

I call there with that hand every time.

Why? I fold this there every time.

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I add my vote to the call this everytime.
It's a suited 2-gapper, there are already multiple callers and it's only half a bet.
I pretty much call with any two suited cards here.

-aron

aron · #10 06-05-2005, 11:22 AM

How did you get your quotes-within-quote boxes to get there?

-aron