SnG FAQ question

[Phill S]

Ok, so the new FAQ isnt supposed to be strategy based [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I think an actual stickied and locked thread based on the shadow's thread should be created. This is an absolute goldmine of info, and if not incorporating it, at least creating a second 'Strategy Links' sticky would be worthwhile.

Someone stated in the FAQ that they dont want people to find aleo's 10+1 thread too easily!?! Whilst a link to a good thread regarding searching the forum is great (if i remember correctly its in the FAQ, if not it should be) there should be a first-stop-shop where people can get a great grounding in strategy.

This will remove a lot of the random noise created by multiple posts on similar topics that have been covered ad nausium in the past (an example that has come up recently has been stop and goes which is in shadow's thread).

Any thoughts on this?

Phill

[citanul]

from what i understand, the general feeling is that stickying something like shadow's thread, or a group of such threads composed of the "best of the best" of strategy posts is not what a lot of people want.

most people who have put in their dues and thought and read and looked for posts and scoured the archives resent the idea that a new visitor to the forum should or could just be handed such a list of the "best there is."

there is some merit to that. it's a lot of hard work getting better and doing the research.

it's not entirely necessary that when people ask a question similar to an old one on strategy, they are forwarded to say, "the best post on stop and goes ever." the bigger problem i think occurs when there's 5 posts in the same day about stop and goes, none of them with a point. and stuff like that.

citanul

[Phill S]

I can sort of see where your coming from, and as a relative outsider to 2+2 (i lurk more than i post, thats for sure) i wouldnt dream of trying to impose my opinion on the forum.

At the same time, as a forum dedicated to teaching strategy, giving someone a step up isnt the most inconsistant thing, no?

As for the argument that some have 'put in their dues' - why not just follow the line to its ultimate conclusion and never respond to noobies, and put the cut off as players who have been members for, say 6 months, to make it into the elite clique here - and only then do they get answers to questions?

Again, just my opinion. If the general concensous is that keeping stategy in the archives, and keeping any stickies as general, so be it, but id be interested to hear opinions from more posters here.

Phill

[citanul]

a) i never said that that opinion was *my opinion*

b) it's not like those people are saying that newbies should be blocked from the information, just that they should have to go looking for it.

citanul

[Scuba Chuck]

Personally, I don't mind a link to Aleo's "beginner's guide" in the FAQ. And frankly, many of the old topics discussed in the Shadows thread are repeatedly here monthly, but with different information, and different posters. I concur with Citanul, that I am less interested in the Shadows thread being stickied. But I am more interested in what is your motivation that it be stickied? How can stickying that to the top of this forum at all times benefit you? If you can make a positive argument for this, I'd be more inclined to consider.

In the end, this forum is what we as a collective make it. What makes this interesting for us who frequently post is to see a new hand, with a similar situation, but something is tweaked a little different. I also enjoy seeing posters "grow" into their success and watching learning curves. So anything that removes the elements that keep older posters here as long as possible is a terrible thing.

Scuba

[Phill S]

Nice post, nicely put.

I have no benefit either way, to be honest. Maybe its just a karma situation [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I cant put up a huge fight here, and i wont. I guess im just up for helping the newbs as much as possible (and in many areas i fall into this catagory), but i very much see the angle you come from.

Phill

[jgunnip]

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I guess im just up for helping the newbs as much as possible (and in many areas i fall into this catagory), but i very much see the angle you come from.


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I feel this way too. I spent over three years posting on a 2+2 like fantasy baseball forum where in depth strategy discussins like those seen so often here take place. And new life to the forum was great and needed for its success. That being said. All it takes for a new ambitious poster is to ask, and usually she or he will recieve a kind pointer in the right direction. I think this, although simple, generally serves the forum well in that it gives newbies a) a hint in how to search for information on these boards and b)gives them a chance to introduce themselves and allow other forum members a chance to get to know, or at least become aware of a new member to the forums. I don't think we should treat the information here as some big secret by any means, but a little effort to extract valuable information that is by all means free, isn't asking that much from browsers and new members.

my 2 cents.

[something smells]

I am a long time poster (over a year and an "old hand") I am choosing not to post under my other screen name.

Quite frankly there is an attitude of screw the new guy!!! In terms of "they have to do the work to find the the good strategy threads," how the hell is a noob supposed to know the aleo guide exists? In terms of "all they have to do is post," B.S. many of you know you take great delight in flaming posts you see as stupid. If a "noob" posts a hand he is not sure he should have been in, it is automatically a "bad beat" post. If they present the hand without the information that shows they lost the hand, then they "didn't give enough information." If a hand is posted where the person is proud of how they played they are flamed because of "course it should be played that way" or "your an idiot it really should have been played this way."

Whatever, I think the FAQ is great, I just hate you all pretending that keeping information from the newer posters is really an effort to help them. If you really don't want strategy fine. But if you earnestly beleive this forum is about helping others achieve their potential, then at least try to be helpful when you respond to new posters. Look at how Lorinda responds to new posters and try to do the same. While there are others who are helpful, she consistanly works to help everyone and she does it respectfully.

Enough of my rant, flame away!!

[citanul]

I'm about to make a thread about this subject, it will be intuitive, and well, it's part of the reason that it makes me vomit to have to go around posting links to the goddamn aleo guide all the time.

citanul

[something smells]

What the hell are u saying? try to make sense Citanul

are u going to make a thread about how to be respectful when you critize? Or, are you going to make a new strategy thread? Or, I just don't get what you are saying?