Strong lay down?

KCFire105 · #1 04-15-2005, 05:01 PM

Ring game, $200 buy-in $2-$5 blinds.
Hero 7-7 MP limps in.
Button ?-? limps in
Villan ?-? BB checks.

FLOP- 7-9-Q

Villan in BB comes in for $30.
Hero makes it $70 to go.
Button calls $70.
Villan calls the $40 raise.

Turn- 7-9-Q 8

BB Villan checks.
Hero bets $80.
Button calls $80.
BB Villan calls $80.

River comes. 7-9-Q 8 9

Immediately BB Villan goes all in for $270.
I (hero) have $180 left with one potential caller behind me.
After much deliberation, I conclude I have the worst boat (an under full) and lay down because the only hand I beat is a straight (many more boats beat me, and made it since with the betting).

Button lays down.

With no callers Big blind Villan shows 10-J for the straight.

How many callers in 2+2 land in my position with the underfull?

Strong Laydown or not?

beta1607 · #2 04-15-2005, 05:13 PM

I think that you are seeing monsters under the bed on this hand. I would have bet 2/3 pot on the turn and you have to call the river here...stacks are not deep enough to get away from a full house on this board.

Also dont post results next time until after you get responses.

soah · #3 04-15-2005, 06:33 PM

Do you play there regularly? Who were the other players in the hand?

I have a hard time believing BB would have QQ with this betting pattern, and quads is unlikely (and if he just made quads he'd probably have to spend at least a few seconds deciding what to do, as most people don't plan in advance what to do if they happen to river quads...) Q9 is the only hand to be worried about really. I'm not to worried about the button, unless he's really tight and passive... he has shown no aggression so far.

On the river the pot is more than $450 and you only have to call another $180. I think you have to say a prayer and shove it in there. This would certainly not be the first time at Harrah's that someone cluelessly overplayed a marginal hand.

Next time, raise more on the flop.

radioheadfan · #4 04-15-2005, 06:41 PM

Easy call.

TrailofTears · #5 04-15-2005, 07:12 PM

Simple call.

Don't post the results, and the discussion will be MUCH better.

KCFire105 · #6 04-15-2005, 07:20 PM

Thanks for the tips on "no results until discussion has started".

It's heavily weighted toward making the call. Do you believe this is because I posted the results or are most people accepting if they're beat, they're beat and just get the chips in there? I have a hard time believing I'm not beat there. Or is this just the overhead of the game and pay the man off (if I was beat)?

okayplayer · #7 04-15-2005, 08:05 PM

There's like $650 in the pot, and you have $180 (~3.6:1). There are more hands that you are beating than you are behind to. Easy call. The only hand I would be really afraid of here is Q9, but you would've likey gotten a re-raise on the flop.

freemoney · #8 04-15-2005, 09:56 PM

ewww i mean ewww, some people read this forum too much and cant apply the things they learn and are looking to lay down hands as fast as they can, if you have like 500+ behind you then you can THINK about folding, with the size of the pot and stack size your fold is worse than bad and nothing with results if he shows Q9 then so be it you only have 180 behind, really re-evaluate your game, dont try and copy learn the game for yourself

creedofhubris · #9 04-16-2005, 02:50 AM

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Thanks for the tips on "no results until discussion has started".

It's heavily weighted toward making the call. Do you believe this is because I posted the results or are most people accepting if they're beat, they're beat and just get the chips in there? I have a hard time believing I'm not beat there. Or is this just the overhead of the game and pay the man off (if I was beat)?

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It's the pot odds, as everyone keeps saying. You have so little money compared to the size of the pot that even if your hand is only good 25% of the time, you make money.

Here's another way to put it: you can call here expecting to lose, and still be correct.

KCFire105 · #10 04-16-2005, 03:48 PM

definately trying to learn the game for myself and thank you for the bluntness (really). I believe I analyzed this one to death and layed down instead of gambling a bit and being willing to lose if i'm beat. Sound appropriate? By the way, I'm not the beginner I sound to be. I fair well 4 out of 5 times on average. I'm attempting to get to that next level. Please keep the advise coming. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]