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Old 03-19-2005, 02:11 AM
edtost edtost is offline
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

also, some donks will call with worse hands they wouldn't bet, which is a major coup.
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Old 03-19-2005, 02:44 AM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

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also, some donks will call with worse hands they wouldn't bet, which is a major coup.

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AMEN! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 03-19-2005, 03:45 AM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

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I think this is a very easy fold.

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No. You can argue for a fold if you like, but it would be by no means an easy one. Given the size of the pot, do you really think you'll be wrong that often?
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Old 03-19-2005, 03:55 AM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

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ok, so the consensus is bet and fold to a raise? Sounds good to me, will get some better hands to fold and costs the same as check-call.

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sounds good to me as well.
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Old 03-19-2005, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

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I think this is a very easy fold.

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But you're a mouse.
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Old 03-19-2005, 06:35 AM
Piz0wn0reD!!!!!! Piz0wn0reD!!!!!! is offline
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

bet folding is beter than check folding in this hand.
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

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bet. the. river.

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no. effing. way.

Ed,

I have a lot of respect for you. Michael David and others who are advocating betting the river, but I just don't see it here. In fact I think it is pretty bad. No better hand is going to fold and it is going to be vey hard for even a donk who doesn't have a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to call here given how aggressive bakku has played the hand. They nedd to not only worry about someone else having made a flush but the hand that bakku has been betting all along.

Yes, Hero can safely fold to a raise, but so what. The assumption here that you guys are making is that it is going to cost you one bet anyway, so you might as well bet. But by checking you may, in fact, save yourself a BB when you are beat. If Hero checks it may get checked through even though someone has a small flush (which hand would have called the bet), so Hero saves a BB. If Hero checks, it might get bet and raised so Hero can safely fold. Or, it might get bet with two overcalls and Hero might also be able to safely fold in that situation.

Also, let's revisit the "Hero can safely fold to a raise" view. Hero bets, two folds, and the player to Hero's right raises. Can Hero still safely fold. With everyone else out Hero has to at least now consider the possibility of a bluff raise. Having to pay off 2 BB here when beat would just suck.

In sum, I like check-calling ere and hoping to catch a bluff.
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Old 03-19-2005, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

Brits prefer personality to the fake botox smiles you yanks prefer.

PS I have no fillings. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

RH
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Old 03-19-2005, 12:08 PM
edtost edtost is offline
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

firstly, i suck at this game, so you may well be right. on the other hand, as scrub once put it in an nl thread, "People make moves on Ed all the time, but they rarely think they're making a move. His physical appearance, playing style, and insistence on chattering during hands all insure that he gets more action than he knows what to do with from people with stuff like missed overcards." maybe my table image has something to do with this being a value bet for me and not for you?
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.

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In sum, I like check-calling ere and hoping to catch a bluff.

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word.
induce the bluff.

too many opponents to bet the river, someone has probably got the [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] but you only have to be right 8% of the time for this call to be profitable. since you know you will fold to a raise, let someone else do the dirty work.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] - I like the movie Crush Goove
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