Help me get out of this mess

Vazh · #1 08-05-2004, 11:45 AM

I got trapped pretty well here. It doesn't happen often, but it's a lousy feeling when it does.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (15 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (23 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Button raises, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 29 BB
Main Pot: 29 BB, between UTG+1, Button and SB.

stoxtrader · #2 08-05-2004, 11:56 AM

call 2 cold to an SB 3bet with QTs? I fold this.

mike_sharpe · #3 08-05-2004, 11:59 AM

Why'd you call preflop?

nepenthe · #4 08-05-2004, 12:05 PM

Without a specific read on SB, the fact he 3-bet completely out of position should mean that you fold.

nothumb · #5 08-05-2004, 12:08 PM

Fold preflop. Fold the flop. Fold the turn. Get up and leave the table.

QTs is likely dominated if you make a pair against this kind of action. You could make a flush and lose as well. Any time you are drawing to a straight, your overcard outs (if you have any) will be ass. If you make 2 pair it might make someone else a straight or a set.

Fold fold fold fold fold.

NT

Boylermaker · #6 08-05-2004, 12:09 PM

I would have folded on the flop; I wouldn't call two bets cold, included a 3-bet out of the small blind, with QT.

Ok, so now that you called preflop, you are getting 16-1 to call the SB bet. BUT, you have to anticipate that with 3 players behind you, including the original raiser, that you'll likely be popped aqain and maybe 3-bet or worse. And given the preflop action, I can't see your overcards being much good.

scotnt73 · #7 08-05-2004, 01:02 PM

you shouldnt have been in this hand in the first place. fold preflop.

Vazh · #8 08-05-2004, 01:23 PM

It seems unanimous. Thanks for the replies.