J5s in the BB hand

[happyjaypee]

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you forgot to post the stack sizes for this hand

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Doh! I had around 45$ or 50$, he had the same.


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By the way, the range of hands you put him on on the flop includes KQ

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I ment QJ, not KQ, for openender plus two overcards. But since he did'nt toke the free cardon turn, I disregarded that possibility.



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[happyjaypee]

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You said that he would have raised with AK, but should that have been KQ? (it's KQ that makes the straight, AK doesn't do anything).


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Your right, I ment KQ, my bad...


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Do you know that SB is not on a flush draw? (You implied this, I'm guessing because SB wouldn't lead at the pot on the flop with a flush draw)


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On the flop I'm not sure yet. But as I said, He always take the freecard on the turn when semibluffing so is turn bet tells me this.


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Finally it looks to me like you could have raised on the river, given your read, as you were sure he didn't have a hand that could beat yours. If he did have T9, he certainly would have called a reasonable sized raise.

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Yes, he precisely had the only hand I see him calling a raise with and loosing, T9. But T9 was a possible hand in my mind, not an absolut. I really thought he had just a T on the flop. AT, KT, QT or JT. Had I know he had Top 2 on the flop, I would have folded right there. But my read evolved whit the hand.


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[happyjaypee]

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One question: Did you really make that precise a read (all your cool, green commentary) or is some of it after-the-fact rationalization?

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That's my actual thought process during the hand. Note however that I did'nt put him precisely on T9 but rather on a range of hand of witch 75% I could beat.

AT, KT, QT = 12 possibilities each for 36 hands
JT = 9 possibilities
T9s (He don't play T9o) = 2 possibilities

That's 47 hands. And I thought I could beat 36 of them, about 75%.

But he really DID have one in the 25% hand that beated me...


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[Shaun]

I seem to be in the minority here but I think you played this correctly. You can't be looking for monsters under the bed everytime someone bets and you have a non-nut flush draw. Limon may be right if you are playig against all-world tight-a** competition, but against typical small buy-in players I would play this way much of the time.

Calling this down accomplishes two things: Winning the pot, and establishing a non-rock image. If you only play nut flush draws you will miss out on huge amounts of money, as long as you can laydown flushes when u suspect a higher one. There is nothing that puts people on tilt more than a hand like J5s sucking them out when they had top two. If you never make plays like this you will miss out on a lot of action IMO.

[tewall]

I agree with this. I was trying to think of a pot size/stack size ratio that would make this call good, and couldn't think of any. The position is just too bad.