Don't ever think of folding KK pre-flop

Need your handle on party to get it

[Scuba Chuck]

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Need your handle on party to get it

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Scuba_Chuck

I'm only interested in my $33 results.

194 wins, 269 losses at 30 or 41.9%

Pretty good stats

[Scuba Chuck]

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194 wins, 269 losses at 30 or 41.9%


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That's surprisingly close. I have 40.5% ITM in my stats, over my last 618 tourneys.

[tigerite]

Couldn't agree more.


PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 5 - 7 players (Converter: PGC)


Chip Counts:
Button: 1455 Chips
SB: 2415 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 2090 Chips</font>
UTG: 1615 Chips
UTG+1: 345 Chips
MP1: 1045 Chips
CO: 1035 Chips

Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Blinds are 75/150

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 is All-In, MP1 is All-In, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>
<font color="blue">SB folds</font>, <font color="green">Hero Calls</font>

(3 players) FLOP: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 2510 Chips )


(3 players) TURN: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 2510 Chips )


(3 players) RIVER: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 2510 Chips )


Final Pot:2510 Chips

Results in white below:
<font color="white">BB shows:KdKs,two pairs, kings and jacks</font>
<font color="white">UTG+1 shows:9hAd,a pair of jacks</font>
<font color="white">MP1 shows:TcAh,a pair of jacks</font>


Same table, some time later...


PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 6 - 5 players (Converter: PGC)


Chip Counts:
Button: 1530 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 2525 Chips</font>
BB: 1390 Chips
UTG: 2270 Chips
CO: 2285 Chips

Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Blinds are 100/200

PreFlop
<font color="red">UTG RAISES ($525)</font>, CO is All-In, Button is All-In
Hero is All-In, <font color="blue">BB folds</font>, <font color="blue">UTG folds</font>

(3 players) FLOP: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 7065 Chips )


(3 players) TURN: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 7065 Chips )


(3 players) RIVER: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 7065 Chips )


Final Pot:7065 Chips

Results in white below:
<font color="white">SB shows:KcKh,two pairs, kings and twos</font>
<font color="white">CO shows:AdQd,two pairs, queens and twos</font>
<font color="white">Button shows:QcAc,two pairs, queens and twos</font>

[Melchiades]

That min threebet from CO made me think he could only have KK+, but I pushed anyway. The result shows why. So I'm guessing I won't fold KK preflop anytime soon.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t1215)
MP2 (t3510)
CO (t1165)
Hero (t1380)
SB (t1320)
BB (t1630)
UTG (t2020)
UTG+1 (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t180</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t420</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t660</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1380</font>, CO calls t505 (All-In).

Flop: (t2590) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2590) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2590) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2590

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
CO has Ks Qs (high card, ace).
Hero has Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins t2590.</font>

[NYCNative]

What if villain limps UTG you pop a raise and he reraises big? What range do you put villain on in this case? Usually it's AA or KK and if you're holding two Kings that makes the latter unlikely. How does one handle this play that is typically made with a very select group of hands?

[Insty]

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What if villain limps UTG you pop a raise and he reraises big? What range do you put villain on in this case? Usually it's AA or KK and if you're holding two Kings that makes the latter unlikely. How does one handle this play that is typically made with a very select group of hands?

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I think the point is, that they'll do this with hands you beat more than enough to make it worthwhile. Although I'm not convinced. I'd be interested in a study of how many of these 'he's got aces' reraises actually are aces.

[Mr_J]

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Top 5 leaderboard means little - just that he plays alot.

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Players putting in those sorts of hours will be solid at worst. They are obviously serious players, and likely depend on sngs for income. Sure it doesn't make them the most skillful +ev players, but it is enough to treat them with respect.

[Mr_J]

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Don't ever think of folding KK pre-flop

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Nothing wrong with folding KK when someone you know is playing QQ+/AK has made a bet they wouldn't with QQ &amp; AK. Very rare, but it doesn't mean it's not sometimes correct. The only reason we say to never fold kings is because it'd be natural to lay down kings more often than we should, so we do it to stop us losing EV overall. However, if you have a very strong read you should stick to it.