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Old 12-08-2005, 04:11 PM
Voltron87 Voltron87 is offline
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Default Re: \"Coin Flip\" ???

usually preflop all in calls aren't 1:1
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Old 12-08-2005, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: \"Coin Flip\" ???

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I suppose we could call it a "race"...

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yeah, between a slow guy and a fast guy.
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Old 12-08-2005, 04:36 PM
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usually preflop all in calls aren't 1:1

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Old 12-08-2005, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: \"Coin Flip\" ???

one way of looking at it is that in a 20,000 pot 55% equity is $11000 and 45% is $9000, or a $2,000 edge.
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Old 12-08-2005, 07:29 PM
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one way of looking at it is that in a 20,000 pot 55% equity is $11000 and 45% is $9000, or a $2,000 edge.

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$1000 edge
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Old 12-08-2005, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: \"Coin Flip\" ???

Why not call it a 1.4?
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:13 AM
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Default Re: \"Coin Flip\" ???

I tend to refer to it as having the wrong side of the race or short end of the coinflip with AK...
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:46 AM
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Calling AK vs a pair all-in preflop a coinflip, has always seemed pretty liberal to me coming from math minded people.

I guess you can get away with calling it a coin flip if you are playing with tourney chips, but in a cash game it feels too generous imho.

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Isn't there usually enough dead money in the pot to make up for this?

Ofcourse if UTG open-pushes for 100BB and you know he has exactly QQ calling is a mistake.

But it usually goes raise, re-raise, push and at this point you will often get a good enough price to make the call EV-neutral, especially if original raiser is somewhat short (which is most often the case when i call all-in w/ AK atleast), or even +EV. Especially if he will have a dominated hand / worse unpaired hand some % of the time.
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