$525: Reraising or Folding with ATo?

[bruce]

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that villian's UTG push is +EV? Or is my repush +EV? Are you running hand ranges
through a program?

Secondly, why do you say UTG is a horrible player? He's
shortstacked and the blinds are soon to go up. How can
pushing be so bad at a "tight" table regardless of what your two cards are?

Retrospectively I don't think anyone played the hand poorly.
UTG had the right of first vigorish. He had a halfway decent hand and pushed. I was relatively shortstacked
and I suspected he was making a play at the pot.

Would I make this play at a $30 table, I don't know? But
with this being a $500 table, I felt like I was able to make a better read and act accordingly.

Thanks for the responses.

Bruce

[bawcerelli]

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$525 turbo on Stars.

I'm a bit confused. Are you running hand ranges
through a program?

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tell me you're kidding.

[pineapple888]

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A random player theoretically finishes ITM 30% of the time.

Bruce

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In practice, significantly less than 30% of the time. That's why good players make money, even with the vig.

But whatever. You obviously have no real interest in anyone's feedback.

This is really just a brag post of how you made a "great" (actually bad) call of a "great" (actually bad) push.

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When you run this through SNGPT it really depends a lot on what UTG's range is. At 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs - calling becomes positive 0.7%.


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I can't see UTG having that wide of a range.

[bigt439]

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A random player theoretically finishes ITM 30% of the time.

Bruce

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In practice, significantly less than 30% of the time. That's why good players make money, even with the vig.

But whatever. You obviously have no real interest in anyone's feedback.

This is really just a brag post of how you made a "great" (actually bad) call of a "great" (actually bad) push.

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While I don't think Bruce made this call for the right reasons (no offence but most of Bruce's posts indicate a lack of understanding of some important sng concepts), I think you (pineapple) should read my latest post explaining how both plays are actually quite defendable. It wasn't my first instinct either.

[tewall]

I thought this result was interesting, so set about verifying it myself, and I came up with the same answer regarding Q9 suited. It appears to me to be definately +EV, regardless of what assumptions one makes about the strength of hand one would call with.

Regarding calling with ATo it looks to me like it is a -EV call if one assumes the all-in guy has a better hand than Q9 suited. However, if one assumes the all-in guy would move in with a hand as bad as Q9 suited, then the call becomes +EV.