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Old 11-21-2005, 12:29 PM
People_Mover People_Mover is offline
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Default I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

Absolute 15K Guar. 10.00 Rebuy. Just after the break, I doubled added on, so i'm in for 50.00 with a slightly above avg. stack. Table has been TAG the whole time.

75/150 - 3 limpers to Hero on the Button with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and I pop it to 600. All call. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Flop J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Check, check, CO (9200) leads for 1400...

Hero (8800)???

I get confused here because I don't know if I'm ahead or behind and it'll cost atleast a 1/3 of my stack to find out. What's the line from here?
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:39 PM
DONTUSETHIS DONTUSETHIS is offline
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

I think i would raise preflop a little more to say 800 or so to try to really thin the field. The flop is a tough spot. I think the CO would have the largest range of hands since both the other limpers called and he was getting such a good price. I think you are in a raise or fold spot. I would raise him to about 3000 and probably go broke on this hand if he has me beat.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

I think you really need to raise more preflop. 800-1k. KK's not that great multiway, especially with a pretty big stack against other pretty big stacks.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

Looks like TPTK. Need to raise at least 1400 to let him know you can beat board. He'll probably call and out draw for the ace. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

Your 4x BB raise has this guy believing you have AK so he leads out figuring you fold. A healthy raise here will tell him otherwise and he may even call with his AJ.

If by some chance he called with a suited Q9 or 79 well so be it, he got lucky.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

Raise more preflop as everyone said. With 3 limpers, 1000 is standard, but you could raise less if you are afraid everyone would fold to that.

Terrible flop to play 4-way with KK. You are going to get action. There is a lot of possibilities of straight draws, top pair, 2-pair, or sets. You maybe need to decide whether to fold or go all the way.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

can we ban everyone that said raise a lot more?

hand is fine thus far and you're in a really rough spot. You can jam now and pray he stacks off with a draw, or you suckout. Or, call the flop and fold to significant turn action, but that makes me queasy.
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Old 11-21-2005, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

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can we ban everyone that said raise a lot more?

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No, this isn't the WPT forum.

Why would you raise to 4xBB at 3 limpers with KK? Are you afraid no one would call 5xBB?
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Old 11-21-2005, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

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can we ban everyone that said raise a lot more?

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No, this isn't the WPT forum.

Why would you raise to 4xBB at 3 limpers with KK? Are you afraid no one would call 5xBB?

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because I don't want to have to make it that high to pwn limpers, either.
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Old 11-21-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: I want to stick my head in the sand with this KK hand.

Sucks he had the Q9, but he was getting a good price on his money by the time action was on him. 1950 in the pot with 450 to call....over 4 to 1. Hate the outcome though.
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