Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?

WDC · #1 12-19-2005, 05:54 PM

Victor,

Just curious but what is a faviorable turn card? One of the reasons I had a question about this hand is that I didn't know what a good turn card was.

Victor · #2 12-19-2005, 06:00 PM

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Victor,

Just curious but what is a faviorable turn card? One of the reasons I had a question about this hand is that I didn't know what a good turn card was.

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how bout the offsuit ace [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]?

really, tho any offsuit card other than q, or j are pretty good. a k is somewhat bad and an 8 is kinda bad. a 10 or 9 may be good or bad. i would be screaming for a black duece in my head.

CardSharpCook · #3 12-19-2005, 06:18 PM

Surprised by all the fold responses. Not time to give up on aces yet. Victor's line is good.

#4 12-19-2005, 06:54 PM

not time to give up on them? could there be a worse flop for aces than that? and you have to deal with two more cards to make things even worse. the best situation you can have here is maybe AK.. and that leaves you drawing to 1 ace because chances are your one pair wont be good

Victor · #5 12-19-2005, 08:02 PM

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not time to give up on them?

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certainly not, you are ahead way too often here in this large pot to fold.

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could there be a worse flop for aces than that?

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yes, many times worse.

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and you have to deal with two more cards to make things even worse

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our equity is still high enough to stay and its easy to get away if another heart comes.

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the best situation you can have here is maybe AK

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please, do you really think that the worst hands these guys can have here is ak? it may be the most likely hand (certainly more likely than a set or flush) and we are way ahead of it. opponents can have any combo of a pair and a decent flush card tho and it makes sense that they would try to push you out.

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and that leaves you drawing to 1 ace because chances are your one pair wont be good

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this is just wrong. one pair will hold up here plenty. get pokerstove, run some quick sims and see what you come up with.

banditbdl · #6 12-20-2005, 01:41 AM

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Surprised by all the fold responses. Not time to give up on aces yet. Victor's line is good.

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As a player advocating a fold, we need to remember this is a live hand against a couple of Minnesota Nice players, not two online aggros. The worst hand I can realistically put UTG+1 on is a K with a diamond, besides that he could have a flush, a straight, any two pair or a set. Not to mention we could still easily be trailing UTG...