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Old 09-02-2005, 10:53 AM
qbler qbler is offline
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Default A better line early in an 11?

Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:37:40 ET - 2005/09/02
Seat 1: Button (1,485)
Seat 2: SB (1,470)
Seat 3: Hero (1,500)
Seat 4: UTG (1,665)
Seat 5: UTG+1 (1,500)
Seat 6: MP1 (1,500)
Seat 7: MP2 (1,500)
Seat 8: MP3 (1,500)
Seat 9: CO (1,380)
SB posts the small blind of 15
Hero posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Ac]
Syren13 raises to 60
Sakic calls 60
All fold to Hero
Hero calls 30
*** FLOP *** [As 2s 7s]
Hero bets 125
UTG folds
UTG+1 raises to 250
Hero calls 125
*** TURN *** [As 2s 7s] [3s]
Hero bets 200
UTG+1 raises to 400
Hero folds

Basically I feel like I played this poorly on every street, and am looking for a new line to take with strong but not dominant hands oop in pots where someone else has shown (admittedly light) aggression preflop, and on scary flops that are good for me but potentially better for someone else. Thoughts?
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:10 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

i wouldn't have bet into that flop

not with 3 of one suit that isn't yours
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

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i wouldn't have bet into that flop

not with 3 of one suit that isn't yours

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I disagree with this...you can't assume one of your two opponents have hit a flush. I would have also bet the flop, but after being raised I wouldn't lead the turn. I think you have to fold to a turn bet.
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:32 AM
45suited 45suited is offline
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

Against certain opponents, I would bet into that flop with any two cards. Players on the 11s are super scared of flushes. Quite often, a 3/4 size bet into that pot will take it down.

With the OP's hand, I like betting the flop against two opponents.
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

check-fold that turn.
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:37 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

they are the pf raisers

i would check and see what they do instead of just betting out for them to reraise me

once they reraise, i'm gone
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

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check-fold that turn.

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Agreed. I like the flop bet though.
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Old 09-02-2005, 11:52 AM
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

They are pf raisers, but that doesn't mean they have the flush. They also may have had JJ, QQ, KK (and at the 11's KJ, A8s, etc.). You have top pair with second best kicker, I think a flop bet is necessary. Otherwise, why not fold pf?
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Old 09-02-2005, 12:02 PM
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Well played til the turn. On the turn, you're a dog to a random hand with an ace in it (cool fact, right?). Also, very few players at the 11s are gonna bet with a hand that you're losing to. Fact number 1 means you shouldn't bet. Fact number 2 means you should fold if bet into. If, however, it goes check/check on the turn, I might blocking bet the river.
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Old 09-02-2005, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: A better line early in an 11?

Flop bet was good. I would check-fold to the turn bet once the 4th spade hit. Debateable part is calling his raise to 250 on the flop. I might just fold there. All I've got is top pair, might be up against a made flush... it's still early and with plenty of chips I might wait for a better spot later on. Even if a 4th spade doesn't hit on the turn, you're in a tough spot if he raises again - you could potentially lose a lot of chips on a top pair hand, not something you want to do early in a tournament.
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