flopped set gets counterfeited..where do i get less stupid?

sweet wicking action · #1 11-17-2005, 11:02 PM

criticize every moment of my play?

i had no real reads for this hand..i'd only been at the table with the villain for a few orbits...i had not seen him 3-bet anything preflop before this.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

the checkraise on the flop made me think he'd flopped TPTK or a bigger set than mine. so i slowed down. should i not have?

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

i figure AK to bet out on this turn, but the checkraise again makes me think, bigger full house, and i want to showdown as cheaply as possible.

River: (9.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

can i fold here for one more bet? if i call, i'm basically praying for a very aggressively played AJ-AQ, or 22-66, right? how stupid is this call?

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ah Ac (full house, nines full of aces).
Hero has 7s 7h (full house, nines full of sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 11.25 BB.

hobbsmann · #2 11-17-2005, 11:11 PM

not getting more bets in on the flop or turn sucks ass. River blows and there is really no point in calling.

#3 11-17-2005, 11:16 PM

Preflop is good.

As for the flop- you have a set. For the love of god, 3-bet the flop. He's getting cute and you must punish him.

If you do that, the hand plays differently, quite possibly you lead the turn and can maybe get a free showdown after that 9. Hell, even if I play it the way you did I 3-bet the turn. Set = Good.

He probably has AK. KK is a possibility, but you'll see AK here more often than not. I think folding the river isn't awful either- I don't see what he has that you beat. Nasty river.

peterchi · #4 11-17-2005, 11:17 PM

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criticize every moment of my play?

i had no real reads for this hand..i'd only been at the table with the villain for a few orbits...i had not seen him 3-bet anything preflop before this.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

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Yup.

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Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

the checkraise on the flop made me think he'd flopped TPTK or a bigger set than mine. so i slowed down. should i not have?

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The only reason to slow down is to encourage him to bet the turn, so that you can pump it there.

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Turn: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

i figure AK to bet out on this turn, but the checkraise again makes me think, bigger full house, and i want to showdown as cheaply as possible.

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Gross. 3-bet. All day. Don't be scurrrd.

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River: (9.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

can i fold here for one more bet? if i call, i'm basically praying for a very aggressively played AJ-AQ, or 22-66, right? how stupid is this call?

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This call is fine. Of course you expect to lose, but he just went for a double check-raise, so you can already pin him as a weirdo. Add that to the fact that you never really showed much strength, and you have an easy call at ~10:1.

#5 11-17-2005, 11:18 PM

without any strong read, I am 3 betting the flop/calling cap on the flop. At this point in time you are behind all of 3 combinations of KK and in a blind defense situation its very very rare to see.

On the turn, I am 3 betting his checkraise. You are behind now K9 and KK and of course, 99. Which isnt much. There is no real reason to slow down, you are ahead of Kx, A9, A7, and everything inbetween.

On the river, now you got shafted. Without a read, calling down is ok, with a read, maybe folding might be better. Given the size of the pot, I am probably folding.

This was played very weakly as if you were scared of monsters underneath the bed. I think the only thing you did correct was betting the turn.

Dont post results too.