Chip spewing, or correct play?

2+2 Junkie · #1 05-23-2005, 12:15 AM

Both villians are LAG's in my database. Really frustrating that I can't do anything but be -6BB/HR at party poker while every one here seems to think you should crush that site. This type of hands seem to be happening all the time to me, so please let me know how I need to please let me know where I am going wrong:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (18 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 24 BB

milesdyson · #2 05-23-2005, 12:19 AM

Call flop. Nice turn action.

River sucks. LAGs can play decently postflop, tooooooooooo.

BB has a flush. I think I would fold. Looks like you're splitting with SB, and you can feel like a dope ass if you fold in such a huge pot. Or you can kill yourself if you folded a winner, but I would convince myself BB has a flush. Then I'd post the hand here to prove how badass I am.

Sorry you lost.

toss · #3 05-23-2005, 02:49 AM

It was a bad beat. Possible to run red for 20k hands. You're not the only one. Keep at it.

irishpint · #4 05-23-2005, 02:57 AM

isnt the flop raise good because we're making SB call 2 cold, and if he's on a flush draw he doesnt have odds to do that (and anytime they put $ in w/out odds its good for us)?

Aaron W. · #5 05-23-2005, 03:13 AM

[ QUOTE ]
isnt the flop raise good because we're making SB call 2 cold, and if he's on a flush draw he doesnt have odds to do that (and anytime they put $ in w/out odds its good for us)?

[/ QUOTE ]

It's basically impossible to make any play draw incorrectly to a flush. In this case, Hero's PFR inflated the pot to 6 SB preflop. A flop raise offers 9:2 = 4.5:1 which is enough to take one off for the 9 outer (even if we held a diamond, an 8 outer is good when you consider that you need only a tiny amount of implied odds to make the call correct.

Pov · #6 05-23-2005, 03:49 AM

I think your problem is you tried to make a steal raise against players you identified as LAGs. Steal from rocks - play for value against LAGs. JTo is of little value here, IMO.

kapw7 · #7 05-23-2005, 08:07 AM

If you don't steal with hands like JTo then you just don't steal enough.

Grail · #8 05-23-2005, 12:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Really frustrating that I can't do anything but be -6BB/HR at party poker while every one here seems to think you should crush that site.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sample size?

Downswings happen. Really.

Recently had a 12k hand -2.18BB/100 downswing, with a shorter 2k -5BB/100 mixed in there. Since then I've been killing this game at +4.87/100 over my last 8k hands.

You played this hand fine. When SB caps on Turn I'm think it's a split, or he's overplaying a set hoping for a boat.

River sucks. I end up calling for sanity in a huge pot to often.

-G

topspin · #9 05-23-2005, 01:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
isnt the flop raise good because we're making SB call 2 cold, and if he's on a flush draw he doesnt have odds to do that (and anytime they put $ in w/out odds its good for us)?

[/ QUOTE ]

You do realize that a flush draw actually has more equity than we do on the flop, right?

spacemonkey57 · #10 05-23-2005, 01:08 PM

NH - I assume the flop raise was a free card play?