Foxwoods, an angle waiting to happen

ohkanada · #1 07-29-2005, 10:05 AM

When you sitdown at a Foxwoods table, you notice a line on the felt that goes all around the table. In some casinos this is a betting line. At Foxwoods it is a please push your bet or cards here so the dealer doesn't have to stretch line. So one angle some players will call on you is if you put a bet in front of your cards but before the line. Since it looks like a betting line people do it all the time. I have not seen anyone try this angle.

The 2nd one is potentially worse and is for people that take a stack of chips and then only drop some of the chips. Well another player in the hand can call you on this and say you have to bet the whole stack of chips. Again I have not seen anyone call the angle, but I know some people will do it so be careful. One of the guys at my table was talking about this and said he would call someone on it everytime if he had a good hand. The problem is the dealer can't call it, so unless you know the rule, you can easily be angled. I don't like the fact the dealers don't warn people about it. Not sure how other casinos work with this situation.

Of course the solution is only bring forward the chips you want to bet. Thats what I do.

Ken

Mountainhawk · #2 07-29-2005, 10:11 AM

Or just say call before you move any chips [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Scorpion · #3 07-29-2005, 10:17 AM

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The 2nd one is potentially worse and is for people that take a stack of chips and then only drop some of the chips. Well another player in the hand can call you on this and say you have to bet the whole stack of chips.

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Calling somebody on this isn't an angleshoot. The person brining all the chips and only betting a few is the angleshoot. They can gauge your reaction to seeing that many chips go toward the pot, then not bet much if it looks like you like your hand.

dabluebery · #4 07-29-2005, 10:18 AM

The line annoyed me the last time I was there. It was actually just one dealer who was a pain.

I was in the 6 seat, right in front of the dealer. I posted my blind, and it was a millimeter behind that line. Looking at it from behind, I couldn't even tell it wasn't touching. I was paying the waitress for a drink, but the whole hand stopped because I had to move the chip up to the line. I got annoyed and experimented the rest of her shift with putting blinds in different spots, just to amuse myself.

But I was playing $4/$8. In my experience, they have the worst dealers in the lower limits there. All of the dealers I had displayed some sort of serious deficiency the last time I was there.

Rob

midas · #5 07-29-2005, 10:25 AM

I play at FW quite often. Experienced players will call you out on these actions, most people won't. I have only had one dealer explain that moving chips beyond your cards is considered a bet.

ohkanada · #6 07-29-2005, 10:38 AM

Sure the angle could be both ways. Most people who bet this way are not trying to gauge opponents reactions.

It would be easier if Foxwoods had a rule saying if you bring your stack forward, that is your bet. Now the dealer could enforce the issue.

Ken

hobbsmann · #7 07-29-2005, 11:43 AM

When I was there a couple of months ago I saw a guy get called on this in a deep stacked 5/5 game. There were two guys in the hand and on the turn or the river one guys bets something like $1000 and this other guy (kind of a donkey) sits there thinking for a while then starts counting chips in front of his cards. After some time he decides he is going to fold, but the other guy protested that since this guy was counting his chips in front of his cards he is obliged to call. The guy then flips out and says there is no way he is paying because he didn't 'put his chips across the line' and the floor tells him that the line doesn't mean anything, that it is just there to help the dealers out. He ended up storming out clutching his chips. Foxwoods took the hit and paid the other player the bet that was 'called' and I would guess the other guy has never seem the inside of foxwoods again.

RollaJ · #8 07-29-2005, 11:51 AM

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Foxwoods took the hit and paid the other player the bet that was 'called'

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BS??

#9 07-29-2005, 12:00 PM

This is why I ALWAYS place my cards in front of my chips and do any counting beside my stack or behind it.

ohkanada · #10 07-29-2005, 01:01 PM

Sure, but unfortunately there are so many new players that doesn't realize that. And why do we want to piss off the new player who gets burnt because of this.

Ken