The Vice President of Torture

[andyfox]

That's what former CIA director Stansfield Turner calls Mr. Cheney. Mr. Cheney continued the administration's big lie today with the following:

"What is not legitimate, and what I will again say is dishonest and reprehensible, is the suggestion by some U.S. senators that the president of the United States or any member of his administration purposely misled the American people on prewar intelligence."

This from the man who, in December, 2001, on "Meet the Press" said "it's been pretty well confirmed" that there was a direct pre-9/11 link betwen Mohammed Atta and Iraqi intelligence. When that link was later disproved, Cheney was confronted about his Meet the Press remark by Gloria Borger on CNBC. Three times Cheney told her that he never said it.

Reprehensible and dishonest indeed.

[BluffTHIS!]

Do you really believe that politicians of any stripe who run their mouths all the time remember 1/2 of what they say?

[elwoodblues]

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Do you really believe that politicians of any stripe who run their mouths all the time remember 1/2 of what they say?

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Is this supposed to be a justification for lying?

[Jedster]

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Do you really believe that politicians of any stripe who run their mouths all the time remember 1/2 of what they say?

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Cheney was not lying the midst of a political campaign. Not that lying the midst of a campaign is okay, it's just expected.

Cheney was lying in the aftermath of 9/11 to justify a war using falsehoods.

There is a big difference and especially now that he is accusing his opponents of lying, it's perfectly acceptable to hold him accountable for his own words.

Nobody -- no decent person at least -- should excuse Cheney for uttering lies that caused a nation to go to war on the basis of the fact that he is a politician.

He may be a politician, but he is a politician who has actually launched a nation into a war that it certainly does not need and may not in fact be able to win, insofaras it is quite possible that no nation could ever win the kind of conflict in which we've embroiled ourselves in Iraq.

[andyfox]

Yeah, I think they're liars. Big surprise, I know. Cheney again today insisted there was no attempt by the administration to create a false impression about Iraq.

The biggest surprise is that people are shocked, shocked, to find out there was manipulation of the evidence.

[BCPVP]

Could the Left come together and figure out what "the Big Lie" is for the Bush admin? I'm growing tired of hearing every "lie" being called the "Big Lie" and can't keep em straight.

Thanks.

[elwoodblues]

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Could the Left come together and figure out what "the Big Lie" is for the Bush admin? I'm growing tired of hearing every "lie" being called the "Big Lie" and can't keep em straight.

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Classic. There are just too many lies, so you blame the left for making it too confusing to track. Follow that party line --- it's always right.

[BCPVP]

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Classic. There are just too many lies, so you blame the left for making it too confusing to track.

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No, it's like if I said every time someone was killed it was a Holocaust, the meaning of the word would diminish to a shadow of it's former meaning. If the Left were more selective of what they called "the Big Lie", maybe they'd be doing better in elections...

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Follow that party line --- it's always right.

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I liked this part, especially since I've done nothing but float away from the party line since I arrived in college. Oh well, wouldn't be the first time I've been stereotyped by a lefty.

[PoBoy321]

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Classic. There are just too many lies, so you blame the left for making it too confusing to track.

[/ QUOTE ] No, it's like if I said every time someone was killed it was a Holocaust, the meaning of the word would diminish to a shadow of it's former meaning. If the Left were more selective of what they called "the Big Lie", maybe they'd be doing better in elections...

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"The Big Lie" is that we had a legitimate reason for going to Iraq. Since you can't convince the American people to go to war by just telling them once, there was a long string of lies which all fall under the category of "The Big Lie."

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Follow that party line --- it's always right.

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I liked this part, especially since I've done nothing but float away from the party line since I arrived in college. Oh well, wouldn't be the first time I've been stereotyped by a lefty.

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I'm really glad that your first 3 months of college have really shattered your worldview.

[BCPVP]

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I'm really glad that your first 3 months of college have really shattered your worldview.

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Try again (can't you lefties get anything right? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])