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Old 12-20-2005, 08:18 AM
sthief09 sthief09 is offline
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Default Protected Pot Bluff

UTG is DeathDonkey
Button is a solid LAGTAG

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

on one hand, he shouldn't expect me to try to checkraise twice with a big hand, but on the other, he still has a good player behind him.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:45 AM
Danenania Danenania is offline
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Default Re: Protected Pot Bluff

Doesn't make much sense to me as a bluff. I think you probably have the best hand here anyway or DD would have bet the flop. Speaking of which why didn't you bet the flop yourself? If you don't think you are decently likely to have the best hand on this flop then why cap pf instead of fold? I like pf but think you should bet the flop as you have the best hand often.

After the flop is checked through I'd also bet the turn. I see no evidence at all that your hand isn't best. If raised I'd almost want to 3-bet since a free SD raise would be so likely. In fact bet/3-bet is probably correct (assuming it's HU).
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:54 AM
flawless_victory flawless_victory is offline
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wow, is it opposite day?
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:22 AM
oreogod oreogod is offline
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Funny, I just finished reading Gonores article on this concept on checkraised.com.
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Old 12-20-2005, 02:09 PM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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I know you like to check these flops, but I think you should bet this one against good opponents because you put the squeeze on deathdonkey and you can fold a lot of live overcard hands from both players.

On the turn you're not representing anything. No good palyer would check a big or even decent made hand on this flop ever.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:56 PM
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Does everyone play this hand in Josh's position? I think its a fold preflop.

-DeathDonkey
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Victor Victor is offline
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i am positive that this is a preflop fold.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:18 PM
NLfool NLfool is offline
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i am positive that this is a preflop fold.

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that's a definite possibility but this is 4 handed after all
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:03 AM
DeathDonkey DeathDonkey is offline
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Bump because I still can't believe this worked.

-DeathDonkey
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:14 AM
flawless_victory flawless_victory is offline
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Bump because I still can't believe this worked.

-DeathDonkey

[/ QUOTE ]why?
if he didnt have the best hand, you made a seriously bad laydown.
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