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Old 11-13-2005, 06:09 PM
Sykes Sykes is offline
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Default Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

Right now, I have these books:

For playing:

SSHE
HEPAP
TPFAP
TOP
Caro's book of tells
Super System

For recreational reading:

Positively fifth street.




Here is what is in my amazon shopping cart right now (Total is roughly 250)

For strategy:

Fundamentals of Poker (would love a response from Mr. Malmuth)
Gambling Theory and Other Topics (etc..)
Gambling for a Living (etc, Sklansky)
Getting the best of it (etc, Sklansky)
Poker, Gaming, and Life (etc, Sklansky)
The Tao of Poker
How good is your pot-limit omaha
How to win at omaha high-low poker
Winning Omaha/8 poker
Seven card stud for advanced players
High/low split poker, Seven card stud and Omaha eight or better for the advanced player (Zee)
Inside the Poker mind
The Psychology of Poker
Harrington on Hold-em 1 and 2



For recreational reading:

Bad Beats and Lucky Draws
The Professor, The banker, and the suicide king.



Feel free to add more books that I should buy.
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Old 11-13-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

Fundamentals of Poker (would love a response from Mr. Malmuth) Let Mason Handle this one.
Gambling Theory and Other Topics (etc..) Rocks
Gambling for a Living (etc, Sklansky) Rocks
Getting the best of it (etc, Sklansky) Rocks
Poker, Gaming, and Life (etc, Sklansky) Rocks
The Tao of Poker Haven't read
How good is your pot-limit omaha just got it, first chapter not impressed so far.
How to win at omaha high-low poker Part of the way through, not impressed
Winning Omaha/8 poker Basic but good, easy to read
Seven card stud for advanced players Haven't read
High/low split poker, Seven card stud and Omaha eight or better for the advanced player (Zee) Rocks
Inside the Poker mind Rocks
The Psychology of Poker Rocks
Harrington on Hold-em 1 and 2 ROCKS
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Old 11-13-2005, 06:42 PM
MicroBob MicroBob is offline
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

Wow...that's going to be quite a shipment.


Other books to consider getting include:


Mason's Poker Essays I, II and III.

Some of the stuff is really dated...but overall they have some very interesting content and are worthwhile reads.



Ace on the River - Barry Greenstein

I thought the book was decent, but not great.
Other 2+2'ers thought the book was phenomenal.


Weighing the Odds in Hold-em - King Yao

This might be difficult to track down currently but I definitely think is worthwhile. Really good stuff.



I also paged through a book at Borders that I think was called 'All-in. The History of the WSOP' or something like that.
It looked pretty darned terrific if you are into the WSOP at all. Will probably get it sooner or later (perhaps when it comes to paperback).



Be careful with Tao of Poker.
I haven't read it...but I have Zen and the Art of Poker which I believe is by the same author (Larry Phillips).

There are some fine ideas in there about patience and discipline, etc.
But you need to ignore the stuff where he tells you to just ignore the math and throw that stuff out the window...and to believe in your 'lucky streaks' and that you somehow should know AHEAD OF TIME when you are about to run cold and leave the table BEFORE it happens.
'You can just FEEL it'.

Stupid stuff like that.

Again, I don't know how much of this type of thinking is included in Tao of Poker...but it's all over the place in Zen and the Art of Poker.



Are you concerned that you are biting off a little bit more than you can chew?
I mean, you've got O/8 and PLO and stud hi/lo and regular stud along with all the other books.
Seems like a lot to digest.

Also - if you are truly interested in these non-holdem forms of poker than you should also consider Super System 2 I would think.
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Old 11-13-2005, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

Ditch 'Fundamentals of Poker'
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

Microbob: I'm trying to learn all the games hence the reading of Omaha, O8/B, Stud, Stud8/b.

I like to play poker but when I get to play hold-em for the thousandth time, I like to play other games, so I would like to have some knowledge in other games.


Regarding Ace on the river: I was not impressed when I flipped through it. Especially compared to the praises it has recieved from fellow 2+2'ers.
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

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Right now, I have these books:

For playing:

SSHE
HEPAP
TPFAP
TOP
Caro's book of tells
Super System

For recreational reading:

Positively fifth street.




Here is what is in my amazon shopping cart right now (Total is roughly 250)

For strategy:

Fundamentals of Poker (would love a response from Mr. Malmuth)
Gambling Theory and Other Topics (etc..)
Gambling for a Living (etc, Sklansky)
Getting the best of it (etc, Sklansky)
Poker, Gaming, and Life (etc, Sklansky)
The Tao of Poker
How good is your pot-limit omaha
How to win at omaha high-low poker
Winning Omaha/8 poker
Seven card stud for advanced players
High/low split poker, Seven card stud and Omaha eight or better for the advanced player (Zee)
Inside the Poker mind
The Psychology of Poker
Harrington on Hold-em 1 and 2



For recreational reading:

Bad Beats and Lucky Draws
The Professor, The banker, and the suicide king.



Feel free to add more books that I should buy.

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I hate Cappeletti's omaha book. I would add all the work by Ciaffone (Improve Your Poker, Middle Limit Poker, Omaha Hold'em Poker, and No Limit and Pot Limit Poker) and SSII. I haven't read Bad Beats and Lucky Draws, but do you really want to listen to Hellmuth whine about that?
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

I have reviewed most of these books at:
http://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/reviews/gambling/index.html

If you want in-depth perspectives on these books you might want to check that out.

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For strategy:

Fundamentals of Poker (would love a response from Mr. Malmuth)

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I doubt this helps you much.

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Gambling Theory and Other Topics (etc..)

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Excellent.
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Gambling for a Living (etc, Sklansky)
Poker, Gaming, and Life (etc, Sklansky)


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Both worth reading, but not my 2+2 favorites. If you want to learn all games, I recommend substituting "Sklansky on Poker" and/or the "Poker Essays" series.
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Getting the best of it (etc, Sklansky)

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Worthwhile, but there are others I'd get first.

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The Tao of Poker

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If you're only going to get on Phillips book, I liked Zen a lot better. See my reviews for a deeper perspective.
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How good is your pot-limit omaha

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Haven't read it.
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How to win at omaha high-low poker

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I think I'd skip this one in this pass.
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Winning Omaha/8 poker
Seven card stud for advanced players
High/low split poker, Seven card stud and Omaha eight or better for the advanced player (Zee)
Inside the Poker mind
The Psychology of Poker
Harrington on Hold-em 1 and 2

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All good choices.

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For recreational reading:

Bad Beats and Lucky Draws
The Professor, The banker, and the suicide king.

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There are books out there that are more entertaining, IMHO, than Hellmuth's book. I like PBSK, though. Instead of BBLD, I might suggest "One of a Kind" by Dalla and Alston.

This should keep you busy for a while.


Feel free to add more books that I should buy.

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Old 11-13-2005, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

I would add Aces and Kings and The Making of a Poker Player by Matt Matros.
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:19 AM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Default Re: Help me out here. Books that I should and shouldn\'t buy.

Hi Sykes:

Fundamentals of Poker is a small book written for a complete beginner. While we feel that all four of the books in the Fundamentals series are very good, it looks to me that you have already advanced past this level.

Best wishes,
Mason
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:32 AM
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Default Books to buy

Books you should buy:

The Theory of Poker
Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players
Small Stakes Hold 'em
Harrington on Hold 'em Volume I
Harrington on Hold'em Volume II
Seven Card Stud for Advanced Players
High-Low Split Poker, Seven Card Stud and Omaha Eight or Better for Advanced Players
Sklansky on Poker
Gambling Theory and Other Topics
Getting the Best of It
Inside the Poker Mind
Middle Limit Holdem
Poker Esasys I
Poker Esasys II
Poker Eassys III
Tournament Poker for Advanced Players
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