it must be hot outside b/c i just coldcalled

thejameser · #1 07-25-2005, 10:25 AM

I very rarely cold call. The limper and preflop raiser were such donks along with super-loose blinds so I decided to play along.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Anyone have the nads to raise the river?

SoSo · #2 07-25-2005, 10:35 AM

why bet the flop? you've not got any hope of knocking them all out, you have no good draw....your getting your money in when u have the worst of it.

i dont like the way uve played this at all...

DemonDeac · #3 07-25-2005, 10:40 AM

i still dont like coldcall given the reads
flop bet sucks
just call river nothing ur beating will call ur river raise IMO

thejameser · #4 07-25-2005, 10:41 AM

fwiw, i was folding to ANY aggression. i bet to limit the field, represent the scare cards, and to fold a bigger ace.

thejameser · #5 07-25-2005, 10:44 AM

oops, i forgot the reads: utg-52/3/1.2 and utg+2-64/18/1

SoSo · #6 07-25-2005, 10:46 AM

stop making lame excuses, its badly played...don't do it again!

thejameser · #7 07-25-2005, 10:48 AM

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stop making lame excuses, its badly played...don't do it again!

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i'm just giving my reasoning. you really think they have a queen?

krimson · #8 07-25-2005, 10:51 AM

Don't raise the river. We're splitting the pot with a weaker ace, and we might be beat by an AJ+ or trip queens that missed a c/r on the turn. There is not much we're ahead of, I can't see a T all of a sudden wanting to bet the river when an ace falls, and similarly with any underpairs. If it's a cold-bluff he won't call our raise anyways.

thejameser · #9 07-25-2005, 10:57 AM

i agree. i would just about never raise that river, it would open me up to to the big street raise i have been trying to avoid if i am behind.

W. Deranged · #10 07-25-2005, 11:19 AM

1. Don't cold-call pre-flop. A weak suited A doesn't play that well against any type of field. Just because your opponents are donks doesn't necessarily make marginal/weak hands playable. Your hand will still often be dominated and flush potential, despite the higher expected returns, does not merit the cost.

2. Don't bet the flop. I can think of no good reason to bet this flop. You won't win with a bet here. Cleaning up outs doesn't make any sense as the good aces out there have caught a piece of this and you'd only be buying half the pot from weaker aces. Spade draws and straights mean several probably will remain interested in the proceedings.