deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position

[mikech]

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As ML4L recommended, I would tend to reraise with stacks this deep, whereas with 1000 to 2000, I'd probably call.

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hi cero, could you or ml4l go into this a bit further? i'm much more willing to play for my stack with an overpair-type hand when i only have 100bb's, i'd like to hear why you feel differently.


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You didn't mention how well this guy plays post-flop, though; can he ever take his foot off the gas? Has he made any tough laydowns that you know of? How about tough calls where he genuinely considered folding (as opposed to making a "tough call" because he never folds)? These are the things I'd be thinking about before "defining" my hand.

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i think he plays quite well. i saw him lay down KT on a KTxxQ board when he got raised all-in on the river, correctly folding to KQ; i saw him follow thru with big bluffs with missed draws after he sensed weakness; he gives action so he gets action, but he's no donk.


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You generally play tighter than me, though, so perhaps a reraise does help to pinpoint your hand, which of course you particularly don't want when you're as vulnerable as JJ.

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i do usually play rather tight, which is why i'd rather reraise an 86s in this situation, since i think it would also improve my shania.

some other reasons i'd prefer reraising with a mid-suited-connector type hand against him:

with JJ, i don't really want to play a big pot unless i hit a set. at the same time, however, it's such a strong hand that i would hate having to give it up when faced with a lot of aggression.

with 86s, on the other hand, i can still play the flop like i have a big pair such as JJ, or AK, and i wouldn't even mind an ace-high flop, whereas with JJ i wouldn't like an ace-high flop at all. i can easily toss 86s with no regret if i get called on the flop c-bet or meet much resistance/aggression. however, if i do flop hard with 86s, it's well-disguised, and there are more ways to flop something that i'd want to play a big pot with, other than just hitting a set. and as mentioned it broadens my hand range.

for instance, i played back at him later in the session with Q4s, flopped mid-pr with the Q and a flush draw, and managed to get back most of what i lost to him in this hand.


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Your post-flop play seems fine, and I'd bet 400 probably, and be willing to call a raise of around 1000 in many cases (so hard to say without being there). Alternatively, check-call up to a pot-bet or so; you may be beat, but you're getting decent enough odds to pay off this dude IMO.

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as this hand actually played out, i think my river decision was very questionable. i ended up betting 600, he quickly raised me to 1500. i'm getting almost 3 to 1, but i just felt like i got suckered in (esp given his verbal tell on the flop, as someone mentioned), and reluctantly folded. i felt immediately afterwards that the right play was to check-call, but i'm not sure how much i should call: a pot-bet? 1k? half-pot? i can't see myself calling a push.