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Can I muck it anywhere?
6 handed.
I have AdQs on button. UTG raises, folded to co who calls, I 3 bet, TAG SB caps it, we all call. no read on UTG, co is fishy. Flop is Qh 8h 4c SB checks, utg checks, co checks, i bet, sb raises, utg folds, co folds, I call intending to call down. blake |
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Re: Can I muck it anywhere?
I don't think so.
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Re: Can I muck it anywhere?
SB could be capping with TT, JJ, KQs, and maybe even 99, and he is protecting his hand on the flop. No way you can fold.
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Re: Can I muck it anywhere?
I don't think a TAG would cap 99 and KQs oop (and TT is iffy).
I also think if he had a made hand he would have bet out instead of going for the check-raise there. Who checkraises the flop in a multi-way pot after capping pf? I would definitely three-bet the flop here. |
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Re: Can I muck it anywhere?
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I don't think a TAG would cap 99 and KQs oop (and TT is iffy). I also think if he had a made hand he would have bet out instead of going for the check-raise there. Who checkraises the flop in a multi-way pot after capping pf? I would definitely three-bet the flop here. [/ QUOTE ] He might not cap 99, KQs, or TT, but some opponents do, therefore you have to allow the possibility. Also, while leading may seem right, I think some people also go for the check raise with these hands. I also wouldnīt be suprised if he had AK. He doesnīt want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand. If anyone else would have bet, his plan might have been to call. I donīt like 3-betting, because it puts you in a tough spot if he continues his agression. Iīd rather let him bluff, or think he is value betting with worse hands. |
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He might not cap 99, KQs, or TT, but some opponents do, therefore you have to allow the possibility. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I disagree here. Some folks do anything ridiculous, it doesn't mean you have to allow for it. If his read on the player is correct (TAG) I think that helps you narrow the hand range. [ QUOTE ] I also wouldnīt be suprised if he had AK. He doesnīt want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly the hand I would put him on (or AQ or JJ). [ QUOTE ] I donīt like 3-betting, because it puts you in a tough spot if he continues his agression. Iīd rather let him bluff, or think he is value betting with worse hands. [/ QUOTE ] I like 3-betting here because I could very well have the best hand, I have position, and for an extra small bet I get a better idea of what sb is holding. If he caps the flop then I'll fold the turn UI. Calling down here feels weak. *shrug* |
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I like 3-betting here because I could very well have the best hand, I have position, and for an extra small bet I get a better idea of what sb is holding. If he caps the flop then I'll fold the turn UI. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is awful. If he has a hand we are beating, such as JJ or AK (you said these were pretty likely), we should allow him to bluff. If your plan to 3-bet and fold the turn UI if he caps seems really bad, considering he sometimes has AQ, and you are giving up half of a pretty good pot. |
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I think this is awful. If he has a hand we are beating, such as JJ or AK (you said these were pretty likely), we should allow him to bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Would you then raise the turn? I guess I hate calling down because if you are ahead, you are missing value. [ QUOTE ] If your plan to 3-bet and fold the turn UI if he caps seems really bad, considering he sometimes has AQ, and you are giving up half of a pretty good pot. [/ QUOTE ] That's a fair point. I have a hard time seeing an oop cap from a TAG, but it's not out of the question, obviously. |
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[ QUOTE ] I also wouldnīt be suprised if he had AK. He doesnīt want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly the hand I would put him on (or AQ or JJ). [/ QUOTE ] Considering the action, you should really put him on all hands that fit his range. Only putting him on hands that justify your decision to 3-bet isn't good for your game. We're behind too often here to just keep pumping. |
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Considering the action, you should really put him on all hands that fit his range. Only putting him on hands that justify your decision to 3-bet isn't good for your game. [/ QUOTE ] I was putting him on a range based on a combination of his pf and flop action. Again, I don't see a TAG with AA, KK, QQ check-raising the flop like that. Unless this guy is mega-tricky, isn't is pretty standard tag behavior to bet out into the multiway pot after a pf cap? His check-raise smells like he is trying to drive other hands out. |
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