2/4 KTs

[goofball]

This is the easiest PF raise ever.

[Nick Royale]

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This is the easiest PF raise ever.

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Despite of your strong arguments I still like to limp.

[goofball]

This is the easiest PF raise ever because:

We have a good hand
We have position
We have morons open limping and overlimping before us
We dont' really care if people coldcall or not, we have high card value AND flush/draw value.
We like our hand.

This is the easiest PF raise ever.

[Nick Royale]

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We dont' really care if people coldcall or not, we have high card value AND flush/draw value.


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We'll be dominated a lot when players coldcall and we lose position, so we do not like getting coldcalled. At these limits coldcalling with KQ/KJ/AT/Axs is more common than in higher limits. As you say our hands play well multiway, let's limp and get calers with Kxs/QT aswell, i think raising would limit the remaining players to play mostly hands that holds us in bad shape, but fold hands we like getting called by.

I think raising would be +EV but calling more +EV.

[goofball]

Well be dominated? WTF are you talking about? People have called not raied, they don't have KJ KQ AK. They don't have us dominated. We can't be scared of people who haven't acted yet, or people who MIGHT coldcall. Raising is awesome because it either get us position with a good high card hand, or builds us a large multiway pot witha good multiway pot hand. If people coldcall behind us our K might not be good but our T is awesome and our spades kick ass. Besides, if we coldcall then we let retard A4 hands or some [censored] in and potentially cost us the pot. Seriosuly folding here sucks but calling here is way way worse than raising. IMO NOT raising here is a large mistake.

[Nick Royale]

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Well be dominated? WTF are you talking about? People have called not raied, they don't have KJ KQ AK.

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I agree, if the limpers are loose we shouldn't worry too much of the limpers, but there are certainly many players at 2/4 that will limp these hands fom EP.

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We can't be scared of people who haven't acted yet, or people who MIGHT coldcall.

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There's a ~26% chance someone behind holds AA-TT/AK/KQ-KJ/AT. I don't expect these to fold to a raise, often we'll get 3-betted. And there's an additional ~12% chance somebody
holds AQ/AJ. I think there's too many players left to act to raise.

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If people coldcall behind us our K might not be good but our T is awesome and our spades kick ass.

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Raise and getting cold cold by AK/KQ/KJ/AT kicks ass? It kicks your ass my friend.

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Besides, if we coldcall then we let retard A4 hands or some [censored] in and potentially cost us the pot.

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You're telling me you fear someone limping in with this crap? We have a great multiway hand and they don't, we like [censored] like A4 limping when we're getting us a very multiway hand. We LOVE players limping with crap! Why wouldn't we like players with poor equity to limp?

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Seriosuly folding here sucks but calling here is way way worse than raising. IMO NOT raising here is a large mistake.

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This decision is close, saying otherwise is silly imo.

[Nick Royale]

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We can't be scared of people who haven't acted yet, or people who MIGHT coldcall.

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Ok, so you don't play position? You don't change your raising standards when everybody has fold to you in MP3? I think you do and the reason is that there's less players left to act...

[istewart]

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Seriosuly folding here sucks but calling here is way way worse than raising. IMO NOT raising here is a large mistake.

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How can this possibly be true? You're raising K9s here? And 100% of the time?

[goofball]

I am. how the hell can you not raise here? K9s is a raise. Good god how can it not be. K9s is a raise. KTs is a raise, You just ahve way way too much hand to not be raising here.