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09-09-2005, 02:33 PM
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Re: For Flair1239 - Not paying off a flush draw
Evan,
You make a decent point, but the fact is that he called twice. The first time he had 3 people to act behind him. You can't just ignore that fact. 
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#13
09-09-2005, 02:38 PM
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Re: For Flair1239 - Not paying off a flush draw
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Fwiw I think most goodp layers would check raise the flop with a flush draw once it gets checked to an aggressive player last to act. [/ QUOTE ] I am not so sure that most would CR with a small flush draw though.
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#14
09-09-2005, 02:50 PM
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Re: For Flair1239 - Not paying off a flush draw
Bodhi-
Yeah, I see that now. His shorthand was refering to the main pot + sidepot. I agree, for 6 bb we have to call. My mistake.
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#15
09-09-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: For Flair1239 - Not paying off a flush draw
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Evan, You make a decent point, but the fact is that he called twice. The first time he had 3 people to act behind him. You can't just ignore that fact. [/ QUOTE ] You're also getting 7:1, can't ignore that. EDIT: I think the real point I'm trying to make is that this isn't a great example of when you can fold after a flush card hits. Even if this is a fold it's extremely close and not one I'd use to illustrate the point. Either way, I'd call.
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#16
09-09-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: For Flair1239 - Not paying off a flush draw
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I agree, for 6 bb we have to call. [/ QUOTE ] What hand do you think a good sb would have that you're beating? I really wanted to find a reason to call this river, but I couldn't figure out any reasonable hand for sb. Change the turn from a 9 to an 8 and I can find a call.
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#17
09-09-2005, 06:12 PM
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Re: For Flair1239 - Not paying off a flush draw
So bottom line.
You dont play off a flush draw when you have a REALLY good read on someone as a very solid player who just calls out of position throughout the hand and then bets when the flush gets there (especially when someone is already all in and you have been showing strength the entire hand). Or when a good player raises the flushy flop (with position), checks the turn (takes the free card he raised for), and then bets or raises the river when the flush gets there. The read is obviously key. Multiway hands make it easier to lay down as well, since the chances ONE of them stuck around with a flush draw is more likely. River checkraise from an ABC player is a pretty good sign. These things can make a huge difference though, I know for sure that me being in the red at 5/10 so far is partially due to paying off the donks when I only have Ace high or 1 pair. I am printing this out and putting it somewhere. 'People are not taking shots at me'
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