WTF happened to personal responsibility?

MrTrik · #1 10-10-2005, 09:06 AM

Rant=on

Loc: Minnesota

19 year old college student goes to a frat party. Drinks too much. Discovered floating in a river 5 days later. No foul play is suspected.

Now we have 7 frat boys up on multiple charges. One charge is a felony. They involve providing/selling alcohol to a minor.

The party throwers could have their lives ruined for throwing frat party.

I don't get it. Now we want frat boys to police the population because it's too damn stupid to make correct decisions. This is BS.

Rant=off.

splashpot · #2 10-10-2005, 09:10 AM

Dude, they broke the law. What about taking responsibility for that? The charges are for selling liquor to a minor, not murder.

dibbs · #3 10-10-2005, 09:18 AM

Eh, if the kid was of age I may think the line was blurry, but if they sold booze to a minor they screwed themselves and were too stupid to make a correct decision.

Losing some frat boys to the correctional system isn't exactly a huge hit to society, either.

MEbenhoe · #4 10-10-2005, 09:42 AM

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but if they sold booze to a minor they screwed themselves and were too stupid to make a correct decision.

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so you never went to a house party underaged in your entire life? never threw a house party which inevitably attracts minors?

BeerMoney · #5 10-10-2005, 09:47 AM

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so you never went to a house party underaged in your entire life? never threw a house party which inevitably attracts minors?

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I know it.. Underage drinking is the best kind of drinking.

splashpot · #6 10-10-2005, 09:56 AM

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so you never went to a house party underaged in your entire life? never threw a house party which inevitably attracts minors?

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That's not the point. The OP is saying that the kid who died should be personally responsible for his own actions. But what about the actions of the frat kids, they shouldn't be responsible for their actions? They broke the law, were caught, and now have to suffer the consequences. If I went to a frat party underage and was caught, I'd have to take responsibility.

SL__72 · #7 10-10-2005, 10:19 AM

Its a ridiculous law in the first place and if it didn't exist things like this would occur much less often/not at all. Anything more then the standard $500 providing alcohol to minors fine that a liquer store or bar would be fined is going too far.

Dave G. · #8 10-10-2005, 10:33 AM

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so you never went to a house party underaged in your entire life? never threw a house party which inevitably attracts minors?

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I'm sure the majority of people here have done this, but when the [censored] hits the fan, the frat boys can't really blame anyone else. It's a risk you take. I think that a lot of people don't really object to the idea of underage drinking as long as it doesn't affect them, but that's a moral argument. The law is quite clear and with anything, if you get caught, then the consequences are yours to face.

I agree that underage drinking is the best drinking, anyway. I went to a party when I was 17 (legal age here is 18) and everyone except for one 22 year old was underage. He came out and said to us, "okay, as the only responsible adult here, it's my duty to step in and say something: get absolutely [censored] blotto". We thought he was cool as hell, and we had an awesome party.

TheBlueMonster · #9 10-10-2005, 12:20 PM

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but if they sold booze to a minor they screwed themselves and were too stupid to make a correct decision.

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so you never went to a house party underaged in your entire life? never threw a house party which inevitably attracts minors?

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yeah, I know I wouldn't be with my gf if it weren't for an "illegal" house party* but when someone dies like that frats are the easiest to blame.
Not defending them cause they're tools and pricks [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but blaming them is the easiest choice.

*not really true

dibbs · #10 10-10-2005, 01:40 PM

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No, I am an alcoholic virgin. This rant was about accepting "personal responsibility", the dispensers of alcohol to minors can dispense it all they want, but they should do so realizing that there is an outside chance something very bad will happen, in which case they will have to accept personal responsibility. If these kids get away with it, the line gets pushed back, and when do you place blame if say dozens of kids are dying from this? Sometimes people are used to set examples for laws which sucks, but it's a risk they took, and therefore must face personal responsibility.