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Old 11-12-2005, 03:04 PM
valenzuela valenzuela is offline
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Default How often do we see aces?

No Limit Hold'em SNG, $100+$9, 10 handed, Blinds 10/20.

First hand (All 10 players have 1000 chips).

Heroine is in Big Blind and is dealt K K .

SB (t1000): Posts SB 10.
BB (Heroine t1000): Posts BB 20.
UTG (t1000): Bets 1000 (All-In).
UTG+1 (t1000): Folds.
UTG+2 (t1000): Folds.
MP1 (t1000): Folds.
MP2 (t1000): Calls 1000 (All-In).
MP3 (t1000): Calls 1000 (All-In).
CO (t1000): Folds.
Button (t1000): Folds.

SB (t990): Calls 990 (All-In).
BB (Heroine t980): Folds.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

Well, I'm not 100% sure, but I think you have odds to call for a set given that you'll see 5 cards, but I expect to see AA here often enough that this is a good fold and since it's the first hand in, just letting 4 players get knocked out and letting someone else deal with them is probably fine.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

The AA is not that often so the hero must call.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:30 PM
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I voted more than 70% of the time. The tourney just started, so no one has any reads. All the callers could be thinking 'My AQs/TT/whatever is good, he must be a noob pushing in level 1!
And the first pusher is probably a noob. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Does this happen often at this buy-in level?!
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:33 PM
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You have to call here in a SnG. Either you're tripling up, which allows you to make the money and get at least second if you are near equal to the other players, or you're out and get started in another SnG.
I've been in this situation twice (once vs one opponent and once vs two opponents), both times I had the best hand going in and both times KK held up and I went on to win one and get second in the other. One time I was heads up against JJ, and the other time I was up against AK and TT.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:35 PM
Eric Draven Eric Draven is offline
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

This is such a hard spot... I really have no idea what to do... I would think that someone has AA, but this early, whithout knowing them it could be something like n00b pushes 2 face cards, MP1 calls with AK, and MP2 calls with QQ. It's probably right to fold but...

I think I call because I can't let go of AA or KK pre-flop without a LOT of action (like 8 pushes in front [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

I call too. At low limit STTs I've seen all kinds of garbage flipped over in this exact situation. KK is probably good, and if it's not you're still 20% to win against TWO all ins (33% pot odds) making this not too terrible of a mistake.
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Old 11-12-2005, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

This is a $100 + $9. Hardly 'low limit' is it.
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Old 11-13-2005, 01:53 AM
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

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This is a $100 + $9. Hardly 'low limit' is it.

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Doesn't mean it doesn't play like one.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: How often do we see aces?

I took 70%+ but I'd say its between 80 and 85% ... but I'd still probably call.

Your EV is probably pretty close to neutral since you are getting 4-1 and are about a 4-1 dog to AA and you might even be ahead some small portion of the time against a bunch of donks.

The main reason I call is because the TimeEV of having 5000 chips on hand 2 seems like it has to be worth something. Along those lines the more interesting question is do you call with say ... 67s.
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