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Old 10-11-2005, 10:49 PM
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Default cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

what are your opinions of this play(question to the skilled omaha pl players) I am not an expert on the game and my opinion is that typically it is not the correct play to call a huge raise preflop with a random hand like 6789 to break sumones preflop large raise which they prob have AAxx or a large pair hand?
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Old 10-11-2005, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

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with a random hand like 6789

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That is not a random hand, but rather a great hand to play vs AAxx if you are in position and confident of your AA read.
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Old 10-11-2005, 11:19 PM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

6789 is not a random hand. It is a very good hand, and is even better if foe tells you he has aces.
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Old 10-11-2005, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

jinx

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Old 10-11-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

ok then how bout this u call the raise u flop open ender with poss one pair then do u call a pot sized bet when he leads out or if he checks do u check...etc..trying to learn best way to play against aces....
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Old 10-11-2005, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

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ok then how bout this u call the raise u flop open ender with poss one pair then do u call a pot sized bet when he leads out

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One pair + open-ender, I might fold or raise depending on foe and stacks. I call if I am sleepy.

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if he checks do u check

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Bet 99% of the time.

Post some hands, context means a lot.
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Old 10-12-2005, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

It's best if you have a read on the guy. Does he let go of the aces or not? Are you in position or not? In position against someone who knows when to dump aces, if you flop a pair + a good draw I would lean toward raising the pot if he pots the flop. Especially if he makes a weak lead on the flop.
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

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ok then how bout this u call the raise u flop open ender with poss one pair then do u call a pot sized bet when he leads out or if he checks do u check...etc..trying to learn best way to play against aces....

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This is a very easy reraise if there is no ace on the board. You are going to be the favorite in the hand unless he has hit something to go along with his aces (like a flush draw, a similar straight draw, a set, or 2 pair with his side cards).

About the preflop action, I think it all depends on the situation. If the stacks are deep and your opponent is a recent holdem convert, then calling a big raise with somethign like 6789 seems fine since your implied odds will be huge (and heck you are only a 3 to 2 dog). If your opponent gets most of his stack in the middle killing any implied odds (say by raising a bunch of limpers), then perhaps a fold preflop would be prudent (although I would still probably call since you only figure to be a 3 to 2 dog if everyone else folds and you will be getting about 2 to 1 and you don't mind if some bigger stacks come along as well). 6789 is a pretty nice hand.
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: cracking aces....calling huge raises preflop to break them....

A) Depends on stack size.
B) Depends on if they're bad players who will always overplay their aces
C) Depends if they're only raising w/ AAxx

If A = deep, B = yes, and C = yes, then yeah it's a pretty easy preflop call with hands like 9876. Actually calling raises w/ 9876 is fine even against good opponents who don't only raise w/ AAxx. But the circumstances i described are even better situations to call raises with it.
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