K8s -- If I played ANY street correctly, let me know

Nick C · #1 08-17-2005, 04:27 PM

This is CO's first hand at the table.

UTG+1 is 33/9/1.1 after 82 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

The table had been really quite good, and I guess the limp was my way of celebrating that. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Flop: (8.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Well, hmm. This doesn't happen at 3/6.

River: (7.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises . . .

I don't checkraise the river enough. (That's my excuse.)

I'm thinking there may be a lot of things to criticize in this hand.

brettbrettr · #2 08-17-2005, 04:29 PM

If the turn is a missed c/r I like it as much as I like the river. I'm not sure I like:

1. Pre-flop
2. The flop-c/r has the tendency to fold hands you'd like to call. I guess maybe you can justify it with the overcard though.

sean c · #3 08-17-2005, 04:32 PM

Closing the action I would have check/called the flop.

meep_42 · #4 08-17-2005, 04:53 PM

As long as you were raising the turn, that's good. I think the flop is going to get 3-bet a not-insignificant amount of the time, but if that lets you fold out K9 or AT and buy your kings, then I like it - depends on how much of a donk the UTG limper is.

River is good. An aggressive villain will value bet a J or Q here a lot, and most pay your raise off.

-d

Nick C · #5 08-17-2005, 04:56 PM

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If the turn is a missed c/r I like it as much as I like the river.

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I hadn't decided whether I was checkraising a turn bet or not. (That was me: acting without a plan.) Probably I wasn't.

The flop 3-bet intimidated me, and I figured I must be up against, you know, one of the 6 available combinations of KQ, if not something better [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. (We really need an eye-rolling emoticon, by the way. I think Clarkmeister pointed that out once.)

I figured if I donked the turn, CO would raise only if he had me beat. And I thought if I checked, he'd bet AQ anyway.

Do you really like the river? Or do you dislike both a turn and river checkraise?

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I'm not sure I like:

1. Pre-flop
2. The flop-c/r has the tendency to fold hands you'd like to call. I guess maybe you can justify it with the overcard though.

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I don't like preflop either. It was a pretty abnormal play for me.

On the flop, I didn't anticipate CO's 3-bet followed by UTG+1's fold, but I guess maybe I should have. (But even if the action following the checkraise just went call, call, I'm not sure it's so great.)

Onaflag · #6 08-17-2005, 04:59 PM

Preflop - Fold. The problem here I think is exactly what happened. With 4 people left to act, the chance of a raise when you need to limp is too great.

Flop - Bet. There were 2 checks in front and the aggressor behind. What if he wants a free card? Your intended result worked out fine, but I wouldn't be inclined to take the chance. That's just me.

Turn - Bet. Ah, yes. There it is. The free card.

River - Bet.

That's how I would have played it, FWIW.

Onaflag.........

Nick C · #7 08-17-2005, 05:01 PM

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I think the flop is going to get 3-bet a not-insignificant amount of the time, but if that lets you fold out K9 or AT and buy your kings, then I like it - depends on how much of a donk the UTG limper is.

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Well, yeah, there is that. Even if the checkraise doesn't end up actually being for value, it could at least improve my chances of winning the pot.

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River is good. An aggressive villain will value bet a J or Q here a lot, and most pay your raise off.

-d

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So we're thinking maybe he checked with outs on the turn with, for instance, AJ, I take it.

meep_42 · #8 08-17-2005, 05:11 PM

I think it's more that he's weak and got scared of the K on the turn and wanted to induce a bluff on the river.

Problem being that this board had about a million draws that he would have let draw for free. (As I don't think he has a T)

-d

feelixthegreek · #9 08-17-2005, 06:45 PM

Showing that K8s must have done wonders for your table image.

weevil · #10 08-17-2005, 10:15 PM

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This is CO's first hand at the table.

UTG+1 is 33/9/1.1 after 82 hands.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

The table had been really quite good, and I guess the limp was my way of celebrating that. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Flop: (8.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

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Bad cr, you're probably behind to someone and you'd rather get everyone to call and build a pot, with the aggressor to your left. If you hit, you can c/r the field for two bets.

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Turn: (7.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

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Bet.

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Well, hmm. This doesn't happen at 3/6.

River: (7.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises . . .

I don't checkraise the river enough. (That's my excuse.)

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River is good.