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Old 11-16-2005, 08:25 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 Folding KK preflop?

i still say you have a favorable position here smooth calling if you feel confident w/your post-flop play, which you probably do since you're playing at this level to begin with. there's nothing worse than having a big hand like AA out of position and getting smooth called. you put him in a horrible spot after the flop if you just call here. i don't think you can fold KK pre-flop in this spot based on the guy's play. raising here puts you in a position where you may immediately have to fold after putting a lot more money in. i really think calling here puts you in the best spot, and you can make a better decision based on his action post-flop. the worst thing i can really see happening is him having QQ, spiking the Q, and checking it to you on the flop. but hey, i'll take my odds on that not happening.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:39 AM
punter11235 punter11235 is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 Folding KK preflop?

I like it.
Generally you dont see much 3 betting preflop at 5/10 if somebody suddenly does it he is very likely to have AA or KK (I would estimate it to about 80% for avg player). There 6 combos of AA and only one of KK left. Even if my assupmtions are off he should've AA here more than 50% of the time. Its just too much granted you will lose some (if not all) money postflop if you decide to play.
I like AA vs KK to be my moneymaking situations this requres folding KK from time to time I think most ppl are simply incapable of that. So I like the fold.

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Old 11-16-2005, 08:41 AM
whitelime whitelime is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 Folding KK preflop?

Folding is fine. Going all-in is fine. Calling and going broke on any A-less flop is fine.

The only truely poor decision you can make in this situation is to call and fold on an A-less flop.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:42 AM
Dr. Strangelove Dr. Strangelove is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 Folding KK preflop?

6 max. If you are going to dump this you should have a good reason.

I once raised an unknown's BB with JJ in a 10 handed game. He just calls, flop all unders, I bet flop, turn, river, he calls all the way and shows KK, says he always runs into AA when he's dealt KK. I'm very aggressive and I was in a steal position, my hand range was very wide, no reason to think I had a hand even as strong as JJ let alone AA.

A couple hands later this same guy opens from early position and is raised by a tight aggressive regular. UTG raiser reraises the pot, tag regular folds and shows KK. Easiest KK preflop fold ever.

THAT is having a good reason.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:11 AM
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2 other reasons i like calling in this position. if this is a tight player, and he does have AA, there is a possibility you can bet him off the hand post-flop. even if this is a very very small possibility, it is infinitely larger than you getting him off of it pre-flop. secondly, if you feel like he is just going to push after any flop, you know you are going to take his stack if you spike your K. then again, i guess this will only apply if you consider call/folding.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:20 AM
JKratzer JKratzer is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 Folding KK preflop?

fold is fine. i think you see AA 90%+.

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Old 11-16-2005, 09:33 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 Folding KK preflop?

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2 other reasons i like calling in this position. if this is a tight player, and he does have AA, there is a possibility you can bet him off the hand post-flop. even if this is a very very small possibility, it is infinitely larger than you getting him off of it pre-flop. secondly, if you feel like he is just going to push after any flop, you know you are going to take his stack if you spike your K. then again, i guess this will only apply if you consider call/folding.

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I think its impossible to push AA off his hand postflop if the pot is 700 preflop, and he only has 650 left.

And I dont have odds to call to try to spike a K.
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