AA with ugly flop

Nyack · #1 05-15-2005, 08:03 AM

Hi everyone, first hand post.

Taking a shot at $10/$20 last night when this hand came up.

UTG is 14/3 after 80 hands, no read on MP2.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 caps, 5 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero...?

What's my line here? I want to attack this large pot but I don't want to spew chips when most of UTG and MP2's likley hands have me beat.

Thanks

JoshuaD · #2 05-15-2005, 08:10 AM

Bet and see what happens. You can't go much further than that without seeing what happens. Generally, you should see a showdown against one of them, but fold if they're both going crazy.

Super Pro · #3 05-15-2005, 08:42 AM

this flop isn't as bad as say, KQJ, but still pretty ugly, but you still have to bet here and see what happens.

Nick Royale · #4 05-15-2005, 08:44 AM

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Bet and see what happens. You can't go much further than that without seeing what happens. Generally, you should see a showdown against one of them, but fold if they're both going crazy.

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I've never played 10-20, but can't we put the pf capper on AK KK-TT and just go for a cheap showdown?

JoshuaD · #5 05-15-2005, 08:51 AM

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Bet and see what happens. You can't go much further than that without seeing what happens. Generally, you should see a showdown against one of them, but fold if they're both going crazy.

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I've never played 10-20, but can't we put the pf capper on AK KK-TT and just go for a cheap showdown?

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That's the plan, but if they get into a raise war we can fold it before showdown.

I've never played 10-20 either. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Nyack · #6 05-15-2005, 08:56 AM

Ok, here's more.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 caps, 5 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, UTG calls, Hero calls?

Was I right to just call the flop raise? After UTG (14/3) cold called I thought I was done for and just playing for the gutshot.

When UTG just calls MP2's turn bet I feel pretty confident I have him beat and the pot seems big enough to call down MP2 and hope for KK. Especially with a draw to the nut straight if I'm behind.

Looking good?

JoshuaD · #7 05-15-2005, 09:02 AM

I 3-bet the flop there, I think it's still a raise for value, and you can define some hands.

Nyack · #8 05-15-2005, 09:54 AM

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I 3-bet the flop there, I think it's still a raise for value, and you can define some hands.

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I don't think 3-betting defines MP2's hand here, he's pretty much going to cap it every time. Most players will cap KK on this flop.

UTG would probably call a 3 bet, based on his coldcall I think it's likely he's either decided to call down KK and AQ or is slowplaying in which case he will wait till the turn. I think it's unlikely for him to do anything else but call on this flop.

For information I don't think a 3-bet is worthwhile and it bloats the pot further commiting me to showdown.

I'm not convinced that a 3-bet would be for value. Here are the possible hands for MP2:

AA - 1
KK - 6
QQ - 3
JJ - 3
TT - 3
AK - 8

I'm ahead of 6 combinations and behind 18, it gets even uglier with the possibility of UTG slowplaying.