short-handed 2 pair...get all the chips in on this turn?

foobar · #1 10-05-2005, 01:56 AM

Hey all,

3 handed 3/6 nl @ stars. These 2 hands occur within about 5 minutes of each other. Considering the action in the first hand, and ignoring the flop play in hand #2, are you willing to get your chips in on the turn of the second hand? Thanks.

*EDIT* - Opponent has just recently joined game before hand #1, so no real reads for hand #2 other than hand #1 action
Hand #1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (3 handed) converter

BB ($849.30)
Hero ($720.40)
SB :Random 2+2er ($609)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $18, SB :Random 2+2er/ raises to $54, 1 fold, Hero calls $36.

Flop: ($114) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Random 2+2er bets $54, Hero raises to $114, Random 2+2er raises to $555, Hero calls $441.

Turn: ($1224) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($1224) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $1224

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Ks (three of a kind, kings).
Random 2+2er has Qc As (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Random 2+2er wins $1224. 

Hand #2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (3 handed) converter

Button ($891.10)
Hero ($591)
BB :#A500AF(Random 2+2er)/ ($1086.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero completes, BB :#A500AF(Random 2+2er)/ checks.

Flop: ($12) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $12, Random 2+2er raises to $36, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($84) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Random 2+2er bets $36, Hero raises to $108, Random 2+2er raises to $1044.6, Hero calls $441 (All-In).

River: ($1677.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1677.60

captZEEbo1 · #2 10-05-2005, 02:01 AM

ummm....no, because I fold flop on hand 2. Furthermore, if he's a 2+2r, he's probably not just blowing money like crazy. Hand #1 was a big bluff, he probably won't pull that again within 5 minutes. Most people that get caught with a huge bluff, don't try it again with air so quickly.

You really really played hand 2 like a chump...sorry. I can't think of one street that seems okay.

foobar · #3 10-05-2005, 02:13 AM

more or less agree on hand #2 analysis. However, a few specific questions about preflop and flop...

preflop - completing here is totally out of the question 3-handed? Is clear fold or raise?

flop - calling his raise w/ plan to make a move if a spade comes? meh? calling raise here because it's 3-handed? meh? calling raise here because I feel like 2 pair, set, or 3rd spade is enough to take the pot? meh? calling raise because I'm still stung about previous hand even though I'm trying to convince myself I'm not? meh?

captZEEbo1 · #4 10-05-2005, 02:41 AM

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preflop - completing here is totally out of the question 3-handed? Is clear fold or raise?

[/ QUOTE ]well I guess it depends on how aggressive BB is...if he's not that aggressive, I don't mind limping I guess.

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flop - calling his raise w/ plan to make a move if a spade comes? meh?

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I dunno....it's a good way to bleed money, especially if HE has the flush draw.

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calling raise here because it's 3-handed? meh?

[/ QUOTE ]huh? your hand is still MP no kicker, no redraw.

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calling raise here because I feel like 2 pair, set, or 3rd spade is enough to take the pot? meh?

[/ QUOTE ]TRIPS, not set. And your outs are weak at best, since they are ALL tainted, b/c you don't know what your opp has really.

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calling raise because I'm still stung about previous hand even though I'm trying to convince myself I'm not? meh?

[/ QUOTE ]leave table or suck it up =P

I was also not real impressed when you bet full pot on flop with MP and STILL called a raise...