up a creek...where's that damn paddle...JJ

[astroglide]

what choppy said

[Gabe]

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i should definately bet.


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Why?

[NLfool]

with the choppy and astro camp here. I check because again there are 5 callers and the chances of me being ahead at this point are slim to none

[Ulysses]

Well, there's a big chance I'm behind but there's also a good chance I have outs. So I check.

[stinkypete]

i'm very surprised at a lot of the answers here.

the argument for betting to drop someone with a low pair is ridiculous. you ARE beat here. somebody has an ace. if not an ace, a queen. getting that T8 to fold so he won't hit two pair is pointless, because if you can't beat two pair, you're going to have nothing but a pair of jacks, and you're not going to win this pot with a pair of jacks.

you could argue that you could bet here to get queens to fold, but i doubt many queens would fold with 13 BB in the pot and more to come. but there's aces out there anyway that won't fold, so who cares if the queens fold.

the only reasonable argument for betting is to build the pot in case you hit your 11/9/2/0 outer, but is there really any value in this? probably not. unless you can be certain everyone will call, you're just charging yourself money to see the river... but there's also a strong possibility of being check-raised by a king high flush/pair of aces/two pair/whatever, in which case you may be drawing dead or to 2 outs but you'll have to call to see the river which you'll probably miss. and when the rag comes, it'll be tough to lay down your pocket pair to one bet with the pot this huge.

[ike]

I check, not planning to even call a bet on the end without hitting the flush