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#11
09-13-2005, 08:05 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
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The Ivey hand has been discussed to death. Ivey hit a 2-outer on the turn to take the lead against MM's trip queens; MM then hit one of his 7 outs on the river to re-suck out. It's absurd to say that Moneymaker was "insanely" lucky on this hand. [/ QUOTE ] You realize the flop was checked right? So moneymaker puts no money in when he big favorite, then he calls opponent all in when he is huge dog yet he wasn't "insanely" lucky to river him? Im not taking anything away from money's win, but he was definetely lucky as [censored]. 
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#12
09-13-2005, 08:08 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
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[ QUOTE ] The Ivey hand has been discussed to death. Ivey hit a 2-outer on the turn to take the lead against MM's trip queens; MM then hit one of his 7 outs on the river to re-suck out. It's absurd to say that Moneymaker was "insanely" lucky on this hand. [/ QUOTE ] You realize the flop was checked right? So moneymaker puts no money in when he big favorite, then he calls opponent all in when he is huge dog yet he wasn't "insanely" lucky to river him? Im not taking anything away from money's win, but he was definetely lucky as [censored]. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. While the "insanely" is arguable (c'mon... 7 outs isn't that big of a dog), he certainly got very lucky in this hand. He did, however, get insanely insanely lucky that he didn't have to see Phil Ivey's mug at the final table.
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#13
09-13-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
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You realize the flop was checked right? So moneymaker puts no money in when he big favorite, then he calls opponent all in when he is huge dog yet he wasn't "insanely" lucky to river him? Im not taking anything away from money's win, but he was definetely lucky as [censored]. [/ QUOTE ] i don't normally respond in these threads as i believe they are extremely juvinile and retarded, however since no one else seems to be correcting you on this point i thought i'd chime in. the flop was not checked. moneymaker bet and ivey called.
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#14
09-13-2005, 08:40 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
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Two key hands off the top of my head (can't recall the exact details but I DO know he sucked out big time): -Rivering a higher boat (Qs full of As) to Ivey's boat (9s full of Qs) -Turning or rivering a set of 8s against Brenes' AA [/ QUOTE ] Only the latter I would call a major suckout, and he was not even all-in on that one. So I'm gonna need a lot more than that.
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#16
09-13-2005, 09:19 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
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[ QUOTE ] Two key hands off the top of my head (can't recall the exact details but I DO know he sucked out big time): -Rivering a higher boat (Qs full of As) to Ivey's boat (9s full of Qs) -Turning or rivering a set of 8s against Brenes' AA [/ QUOTE ] Only the latter I would call a major suckout, and he was not even all-in on that one. So I'm gonna need a lot more than that. [/ QUOTE ]he got it allin on a nothing flop and spiked a 8 on turn
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#18
09-13-2005, 10:02 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
Since Brenes walked away after that hand, Moneymaker couldn't have been all in.
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#19
09-13-2005, 10:09 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
how does being allin matter/ it was still a key pot
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#20
09-13-2005, 10:18 PM
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Re: Greenstein on Moneymaker and Pokersuperstars
Does anyone happen to know the stack sizes? All I can tell is that Moneymaker had him covered. ESPN likes the drama, but he might still have been in good shape even if he had lost that "key" pot.
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