Folding top pair on the flop...

Willluck · #1 02-27-2005, 05:07 AM

Table is noticably tight passive.
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, CO caps, Hero folds, BB calls.

eric5148 · #2 02-27-2005, 05:10 AM

Fine.

einbert · #3 02-27-2005, 05:58 AM

Yeah this is good. Calling would be bad.

spydog · #4 02-27-2005, 07:17 AM

I disagree with folding the flop. First, you should 3-bet the flop when CO raised you and the hand will play differently.

Since you only called, you might be looking at flush draws/top pair-worse kicker from your villians. With position, I want to see what they do on the turn before I lay this one down.

jason_t · #5 02-27-2005, 07:22 AM

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I disagree with folding the flop. First, you should 3-bet the flop when CO raised you and the hand will play differently.

Since you only called, you might be looking at flush draws/top pair-worse kicker from your villians. With position, I want to see what they do on the turn before I lay this one down.

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9T also has an OESD. I agree with 3-betting the flop after CO's raise. I'd play this hand very carefully though; even if Hero's hand is currently the best, collectively the field could have a lot of outs to crush him later in the hand.

bernie · #6 02-27-2005, 07:29 AM

Given how you played it. Ok.

I'd have 3 bet the CO. He could be on a draw. T9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] would be a draw a tight passive would jam with. But then again, could be more of a made hand.

My concern is the BB waking up and 3 betting. That's the siren I'm hearing.

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Michael Davis · #7 02-27-2005, 08:49 AM

I would never fold this flop. The board is draw heavy and somebody could easily be overplaying a weaker J. The BB either has you crushed or has a draw, but notice that his play is entirely consistent with a draw.

-Michael

chesspain · #8 02-27-2005, 09:35 AM

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Table is noticably tight passive.

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I think one problem is the above "read." Although a table can seem to be on the "tight-passive" side, it does not mean that every opponent is tight-passive, especially since "tight-passive" players, at least according to Pokertracker rules, are not very common at lower levels. Indeed, you will probably have no more than two, genuine tight-passive players at your table--otherwise, why would you even be playing there?

Anyone, unless I knew both of my opponents to be veritable rocks, I would not have folded the flop...and I would have three-bet the first time around.