Attitudes Around Here

[Alex/Mugaaz]

I stopped posting any of my hands long ago and I really haven't felt regret in doing so. 2+2 is now/always was a groupy/clubby place and that's just the way it is. I have long since lost any interest at all in fitting in. The #1 use I get out of this website is reading hand discussions between the pompous asses (who are also the better players here). I can still get quite a bit of use from this site regardless. People have a right to be assholes here, you're asking for help and offering nothing in return, so it's not like you can complain. People expecting some type of helpful egalitarian society here are really asking for a bit much. Not only is helping people for nothing beyond kind, it's also at detriment to themselves. I think the boards would be better off if people stopped with the stupid 1 liners and instead simply responded with nothing.

Just look at the title under my handle.

It may be a joke to some, but, I think Barron is serious.

And when the moderator gives a member a title like WARNING....blahblahblah, well, it gives guys like daryn the idea it's okay to blast me, because, well, the moderator kind of condones it in some sort of way....else he wouldnt put that under my handle.

It was funny at first, but now it is getting old when people come out of the wood work to tell me they hate me



Tex

[surfdoc]

Great post.

The only thing that I think you should have added on this same line is how ridiculous it is when the regulars constantly belly ache about how bad the forums are getting and therefore stop posting helpful, solid advice. This really only creates a self fullfilling prophecy. It makes no sense to me that experienced posters talk about starting their own forum so that the noobs won't degrade the discussion. What happened to giving a little back? We were all noobs at one time..only a few of us still play and post like noobs.

Great post. I found instant hostility when I started posting here, and responded with hostility. Probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. I find most of the posts on here totally useless. Every once in a blue moon there's some really solid advice or someone you can tell is making a genuine attempt at talking legit strategy and not just stroking their own egos. But not often.

[ggbman]

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Great post. I found instant hostility when I started posting here, and responded with hostility. Probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. I find most of the posts on here totally useless. Every once in a blue moon there's some really solid advice or someone you can tell is making a genuine attempt at talking legit strategy and not just stroking their own egos. But not often.

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Haha i un-ignored you just to see what you would say in this thread, I think Barry's OP is excellent, so i'm not going to hijak this thread for personal reasons. However, i would like to say going from thead to thread and insulting people because you don't like the content is probably why you find people treat your hostily. I know you had had no previous interaction with baronzeus, myself, or Josh W. before you randomly decided to start [censored] with us.

I am not one to hold onto grudges, and i think Tex's attitude adjustment is a great example of the productivity that can come from thses boards. nice post Barry.

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Great post. I found instant hostility when I started posting here, and responded with hostility. Probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. I find most of the posts on here totally useless. Every once in a blue moon there's some really solid advice or someone you can tell is making a genuine attempt at talking legit strategy and not just stroking their own egos. But not often.

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There's a fairly good reason you're finding lots of hostility around here.

Rob

[Smoothcall]

Very true!

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Great post. I found instant hostility when I started posting here, and responded with hostility. Probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. I find most of the posts on here totally useless. Every once in a blue moon there's some really solid advice or someone you can tell is making a genuine attempt at talking legit strategy and not just stroking their own egos. But not often.

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There's a fairly good reason you're finding lots of hostility around here.

Rob

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I'm sure there is. I'm a dick.

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Great post. I found instant hostility when I started posting here, and responded with hostility. Probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. I find most of the posts on here totally useless. Every once in a blue moon there's some really solid advice or someone you can tell is making a genuine attempt at talking legit strategy and not just stroking their own egos. But not often.

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There's a fairly good reason you're finding lots of hostility around here.

Rob

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I'm sure there is. I'm a dick.

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A famous one, at that.

Rob

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What the heck has happened around here?

There used to be a time when new posters were welcomed. Their first few posts would show that they had a lot to learn and the more experienced posters would point that out to them. Some of them would be blunter in their “help” than others but nonetheless they would be helpful. In one of my first posts three years ago, Dynasty called me a fish. He did, however, explain exactly why I was fish. But I learned a little, most of the new posters also learned; some of them have even become great players and currently are given a lot of respect around here.

Did some of Tx early posts show that he had a lot to learn? Did he try to justify and argue his positions despite the replies from said esteemed posters? To both of those questions the answer is yes. But has he tried to learn? Did he publicly admit that he was wrong in his first posts? Is he trying to get better and is looking for help? The answers to all of those are yes as well.

But since he is not an “expert” some of the “experts” here continue to berate him and act as though he is beneath them and not worthy of help. Cut the guy some slack. I’m only mediocre, but I’m going to try to help him out as best I can. You folks should too.

Maybe everybody has decided to emulate the “El Diablo” style of post. However, if you look at his cutting one liners, they are usually directed to a poster that he thinks should know better. When the next new poster shows up, cut out the condescending attitude. Perhaps it will help if you look at the first few of your own posts and remember how far you have come.

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When I first posted on this forum, it was in the SSNL and single table forums. While I was at first a bit peeved at the response "fold once preflop, twice on the flop, and once on the turn" (C/R,C/B) I reminded myself how much better these posters I had read advice from before than me. And I accepted that I came here to drastically improve my game. However, that being said, I think this sort of bluntness is acceptable, on the contigency that it come with detailed reasoning. A simple, that's horrible, fold at every step, tells someone they were wrong, but giving explanation helps them understand why, and how to apply it in other situations.