Tough night w/ AA Suggestions please?

Hoopster81 · #1 07-09-2005, 03:29 AM

Hand 1

Villain is 64/23 over 17 hands

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MP3 ($24.5)
CO ($12.15)
Button ($23.3)
SB ($20.7)
BB ($26.3)
UTG ($11.3)
UTG+1 ($32.05)
UTG+2 ($24.75)
MP1 ($63.75)
Hero ($28.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.75, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: ($3.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, SB folds, UTG+1 calls $3.

Turn: ($9.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $6, UTG+1 raises to $12, Hero calls $6.

River: ($33.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Final Pot: $47.50

Results in white

Villain shows Qd 7d 

Hand 2

Villain is 20/15 over 122 hands

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Hero ($24.05)
SB ($32.53)
BB ($24.7)
UTG ($27.1)
UTG+1 ($29.4)
MP1 ($30)
MP2 ($57.59)
MP3 ($21.9)
CO ($8.9)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $3, MP3 calls $3.

Flop: ($12.60) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $10, MP1 calls $10, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($32.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero calls $10.05 (All-In), MP1 calls $10.05.

River: ($52.70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $52.70

Results in white

Villain shows Td Th

Hand 3

Villain is 50/3 over 99 hands
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SB ($22.15)
BB ($36.15)
UTG ($64.6)
UTG+1 ($63.1)
UTG+2 ($52.98)
MP1 ($11.55)
MP2 ($45.1)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($25.75)
Hero ($48.5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75.

Flop: ($8.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $7, UTG+2 folds, CO calls $23 (All-In), Hero calls $16.25.

Turn: ($54.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($54.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $54.85

Results in white

hero shows [ Ah, As ] two pairs, aces and eights.
villain shows [ 8s, 7s ] three of a kind, eights.
villain wins $52.15 from the main pot with three of a kind, eights. 

I seem to have a problem laying down AA post-flop. The first two I think that I need to be able to get away from, I just don't know which line accomplishes it best.

Thanks for any thoughts

raisethatmofo · #2 07-09-2005, 03:45 AM

Hand 2 is fine. They are trying to hit sets on you. What will determine how well you win with AA is if you are going to pay them off or not.

Hand 1 and 3 are your bad hands.

Hand 1) Flop is fine and preflop are fine. On the turn, the queen of spades comes off. Now there is a monotone flop and a 9, J, and Q on the board. THat is about as bad as it gets for AA. I like checking the turn and possibly calling a small bet but by no means should you be putting a lot of money in on the turn. Someone wanting to get a lot of money in is showing that he isn't scared of the monotone board or the 3 to a straight so you need to beware. Check folding is Okay, too. Just don't get a lot of money in on a board like this.

Hand 3) This hand isn't as bad as I thought. I think you just got unlucky here. He paid $3 preflop with 87 and happened to get lucky. You make money here in the long run. You have to ask why after you raised $7 on the flop, he is willing to push, though. You showed strength and now he is showing that he isn't scared of whatever you have. I think if you played this a 1000 times , you would still make money here even with calling his all-in on the flop. You only have to take his $3 about 8 times for every one time he takes your money to be a winner and there is no way he flops trips 8 to 1 . At least I don't think so.

Hoopster81 · #3 07-09-2005, 04:00 AM

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Hand 3) This hand isn't as bad as I thought. I think you just got unlucky here. He paid $3 preflop with 87 and happened to get lucky. You make money here in the long run. You have to ask why after you raised $7 on the flop, he is willing to push, though. You showed strength and now he is showing that he isn't scared of whatever you have. I think if you played this a 1000 times , you would still make money here even with calling his all-in on the flop. You only have to take his $3 about 8 times for every one time he takes your money to be a winner and there is no way he flops trips 8 to 1 . At least I don't think so.

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1. He was >50% VP$IP
2. Even if he was not, I still feel like you see 99-KK here most of the time

vulturesrow · #4 07-09-2005, 04:42 AM

My advice more abstract, but I look at it like this. Small stakes players are generally pretty straightforward. If you show preflop strength and they play back at you they probably are strong, esp. on a scary board. I usually tell myself, "you just have a pair, do you really want to stack off with it?". Its situation dependent and in some cases, the answer is yes. Most of the time it is no. Remember why we play hands like small pocket pairs and suited connectors? To stack the the guy that cant get away from their TPTK and big pair hands.

raisethatmofo · #5 07-09-2005, 04:43 AM

Hand 3 is tough. I agree.

Do you see how you are misinterpreting the VPIP numbers, though ? His VPIP of >50% actually make it more likely that he has the 8.

raisethatmofo · #6 07-09-2005, 04:46 AM

I said though that the only way you can really misplay hand 3 is by putting in like half your stack and then folding. You didn't do it. You made a decisive decision which is good. You either think he has it or not.

savman · #7 07-09-2005, 04:59 AM

when playing small stakes NL i have a rule i adhere almost exclusively. when i am raised, especially check raised, one pair is no good. AA is only a pair...repeat with me...AA is only a pair. A couple of caveats. The rule applys assuming A.) you havent been playing over agressive (the table doesnt perceive you as a maniac) 25 NL players arent very observant, but even they take notice when you are betting and raising everyother hand. B.) villain raising me is not a maniac. A few ubermaniacs frequent the SSNL (when dealing with this animal if you never folded a pair ANY pair, it would not be far from incorrect), but the majority of players are weak tight. When a weak tight player raises you they are announcing "i have a hand." Fold, and let the same player call you all the way down with bottom pair and you will get your money back.

Malachii · #8 07-09-2005, 05:13 AM

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when i am raised, especially check raised, one pair is usually no good.

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Remembering this at lower stakes games will save you a lot of money, IMO.

Malachii · #9 07-09-2005, 05:21 AM

You should pay attention to vulture's crow, he knows what he's talking about.

Now, for the adjustments I would make:

First hand, I would make it 2$ to go. Two limpers infront of you, so you have to make a more sizeable raise to avoid picking up callers in back of you.

On the flop, I would bet 4$ to really show strength into this flop and make my later decisions easier.

On the turn, I fold to that checkraise 100% of the time.

Second hand looks fine.

Third hand

Too small of a reraise preflop. Make it like 4$ to go. You don't want to let people in cheap.

On the flop, I would've made your raise maybe a dollar two or less. It's enough so that a flush or straight draw isn't getting too attractive of a price, but it lets you figure out who likes their hand without investing too much money into the pot. Definitely fold to the reraise behind you, people aren't going to be bluffing into that much strength.

raisethatmofo · #10 07-09-2005, 08:08 AM

yeah, my 12 BB/100 and fact I've been playing NL for a year means nothing.