KQo in a multiway pot (no hand)

[Sinnister]

Hey all, after reading the limit holdem section in ss2, Jen Harmon says that hands like AJo and KQ should be limped in if several people have already limped. I was in LP with KQo
and limped after like 4 limpers, long story short I ended up losing to bb who had k8 for two pair. Should I have stuck with ssh reccomendations and raised with it or should I have just limped and lost due to bad luck??? Any thoughts are appreciated.

[WalkAmongUs]

Don't get caught up in results oriented thinking. Yes you lost to a crappy 2 pair this time but the odds are against this.

The reason you limp with these hands in large fields is because your preflop equity is very marginal against this many opponents. Why would you want to raise 4 or 5 people when you don't really have an edge? You would just be wasting your money.

The best thing to do is limp and see the flop cheaply. Then if it helps you your pot equity will jump up. Then you can determine the course of action on the flop that best positions you to win the pot and/or build a pot you are favored to win by the river.

[Sinnister]

Then why would ssh reccomend raising in a loose game with this hand?

[numeri]

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Then why would ssh reccomend raising in a loose game with this hand?

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Because your edge is not marginal. Against loose tables, your edge is usually significant. You can raise these preflop after a few limpers at most tables.

There are certainly situations where limping isn't bad, but you'll miss out on a ton of value if you limp every time.

[Sinnister]

Ok So I need a default move here, raise????

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Ok So I need a default move here, raise????

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I think the default move is raise if it's a loose table. Just because on a particular hand you see 4 limpers in front of you doesn't mean you're at a loose table. It can simply mean 4 people got playable hands.

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Ok So I need a default move here, raise????

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I vote for raise. I really like Jennifer's section in SS2, but one thing you need to consider is that she is not really writing a small stakes strategy. SSH is obviously much more tailored for this type of game.

I am not saying that this is the default one and only way to play the hand, but if I HAD to choose one over the other, I would raise.

[numeri]

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Ok So I need a default move here, raise????

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Was I not clear? My default move is raise.

[WalkAmongUs]

my default is raise when i'm one of the first in. If 4 or 5 people come in in front of me, I'll raise if the majority of them are loose. otherwise i just call.

[numeri]

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my default is raise when i'm one of the first in. If 4 or 5 people come in in front of me, I'll raise if the majority of them are loose. otherwise i just call.

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This isn't bad, but it depends.

Let's suppose there's a tight player in there. The question is, did the tight player limp first-in, second-in, after 4 others? If a really tight passive player limped from early position, I might just call since we could be dominated. On the other hand, if a tight player limps after 4 others, it could easily be a pocket pair or another drawing hand, and our KQo is now worth a raise.

I'd say your thoughts aren't a bad guideline, though.