implied odds/reverse implied odds much greater in no-limit - Page 2

Ulysses · #11 10-04-2005, 05:25 AM

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I skimmed OP's post and it might be helpful for SSNL, but it's in many respects backwards from the way I think you need to approach the game to beat MHNL.

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In what respects, specifically are you referring?

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Well, I just try to figure out what the other guys have and play accordingly.

Ulysses · #12 10-04-2005, 05:31 AM

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I am not one of those guys who makes up for lack of playing ability by stacking mountains of chips.

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BTW, how exactly does one "make up for lack of playing ability" that way?

JJNJustin · #13 10-04-2005, 05:32 AM

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I skimmed OP's post and it might be helpful for SSNL, but it's in many respects backwards from the way I think you need to approach the game to beat MHNL.

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In what respects, specifically are you referring?

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Well, I just try to figure out what the other guys have and play accordingly.

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lol, yeah, good show. so how is my advice backwards in any way?

Ulysses · #14 10-04-2005, 05:42 AM

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I skimmed OP's post and it might be helpful for SSNL, but it's in many respects backwards from the way I think you need to approach the game to beat MHNL.

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In what respects, specifically are you referring?

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Well, I just try to figure out what the other guys have and play accordingly.

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lol, yeah, good show. so how is my advice backwards in any way?

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I didn't say your advice was backwards, I said your approach was.

mikech · #15 10-04-2005, 05:51 AM

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I skimmed OP's post and it might be helpful for SSNL, but it's in many respects backwards from the way I think you need to approach the game to beat MHNL.

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In what respects, specifically are you referring?

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Well, I just try to figure out what the other guys have and play accordingly.

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lol, yeah, good show. so how is my advice backwards in any way?

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rbk already told you how it's backwards:

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against good observant players you have to mix it up enough that they won't be able to pick up on the fact that you will always release top pair if someone plays back at you.

its always real easy to spot the nits who won't defend a hand if it aint the nuts and take a lot of pots from them.

and if you only play the nuts then you never have implied odds cuz no one ever gives you action.

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for instance, you're advocating check-folding JJ on a 678 board. while it may be correct to do so sometimes versus some opponents, in many other situations vs other players your chips/stack should be beating theirs into the pot. the trick is identifying which situation is which, i think that's what diablo's getting at.

JJNJustin · #16 10-04-2005, 06:02 AM

the JJ is more of an example from a multiway hand in a limit game. I should have clarified. In a no-limit game, I wouldnt necessarily advocate check folding. Much of the original post is aimed at limit until I start talking about no-limit and how these concepts of implied odds and reverse implied odds, as they affect a limit game in some of the examples I've shown, become magnified much greater in no limit.

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Ulysses · #17 10-04-2005, 06:06 AM

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I would hate holding a pair of pocket JJs against many opponents on a flop of 678. ... I would actually check and fold the jacks

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the JJ is more of an example from a multiway hand in a limit game.

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Do you think you are worse at limit or no-limit?

riverboatking · #18 10-04-2005, 06:06 AM

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Not really, rbk. The bigger the games get online, the closer and closer they get to live games in that respect. I agree w/ pretty much everything you said in your post.

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interesting.
i hardly play online at all so i didn't know that.

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i try to figure out what the other guys have and play accordingly

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damn i wish i could have worded my response so concisely.
well done sir. that was exactly what i was trying to articulate.

Ulysses · #19 10-04-2005, 06:10 AM

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i don't play online at all so i didn't know that.

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A lot of the bigger games have very small player bases with occassional drop-ins. Obviously, you can't look over and know a guy is betting so he can fold to your raise or realize that the case money guy is not nervous for the first time in three hours when he raises you, but it's a lot closer to live than some of the smaller games.

riverboatking · #20 10-04-2005, 06:18 AM

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A lot of the bigger games have very small player bases with occassional drop-ins. Obviously, you can't look over and know a guy is betting so he can fold to your raise or realize that the case money guy is not nervous for the first time in three hours when he raises you, but it's a lot closer to live than some of the smaller games.

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makes sense.

i play with bobby hoff on a daily basis and i know he plays the UB 25-50 game pretty regularly.
he's been telling me the games are unbelievably good on-line is this the level you are referring to or does it not really take effect until you start playing 50-100 and up?

from what bobby was saying it sounded like there was just a lot of weak players at that level, but he didn't mention how large the player base was, or how effective reads were, we didn't get that in depth.